2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Right handed defenseman that are either big, defensive, or can eat minutes are his MO.

Engelland
Hamilton
Hamonic
Tanev

And the Risto rumors. Maybe a couple I've left out but there seems to be a common theme.

I'm just glad Treliving is the Leaf's problem now.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hamonic was a mediocre defenseman playing a lot of minutes on a bad Islanders team. His play was declining season over season with the Islanders with his worst season being the one where the Flames traded for him. Cleary a lot of pro scouts (Flames and Leafs) didn't do a very good job scouting him as it seems like they were counting on a bounce back on a different team which is fine but not at the steep cost the Flame ultimately paid. The Flames had the GM that was willing to sacrifice more and that's why the Flames came out big losers that fateful day.

Those bad Islander teams had 101 and 100 points in a Division that had Stanley Cup winning teams in it.

The year before he was traded he played 49 games and that Islander team had 94 points. So not sure how those are bad teams.

He had a value contract with term and the Flames paid a premium to get him. There were a lot of Flames players who did not play well that year besides Hamonic that lead to them missing the playoffs. I didn't see enough of Islanders Hamonic to have a strong opinion of him. But he was talked up quite highly by Edmonton media as a top pairing defenseman they should trade for. Perhaps the injuries caught up with him and that's why he wasn't as good after the trade.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Those bad Islander teams had 101 and 100 points in a Division that had Stanley Cup winning teams in it.

The year before he was traded he played 49 games and that Islander team had 94 points. So not sure how those are bad teams.

He had a value contract with term and the Flames paid a premium to get him. There were a lot of Flames players who did not play well that year besides Hamonic that lead to them missing the playoffs. I didn't see enough of Islanders Hamonic to have a strong opinion of him. But he was talked up quite highly by Edmonton media as a top pairing defenseman they should trade for. Perhaps the injuries caught up with him and that's why he wasn't as good after the trade.

He wasn't on a value contract. He never made that much money again in his career. He was paid accordingly for what he brought which was the ability to play minutes while not being great at anything.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He wasn't on a value contract. He never made that much money again in his career. He was paid accordingly for what he brought which was the ability to play minutes while not being great at anything.

You are clearly revising history to fit your narrative.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

You are clearly revising history to fit your narrative.

LOL revising history? This is my post from the Hamonic trade thread. I knew at the time he was playing poorly for the Islanders. I was bang on BTW.

It's a cautionary tale about how rosters on paper don't necessarily equate to playoff or Stanley Cup success and is very relevant as I never said it pointed to any certainties. It seems like whenever someone posts something that's not praising the Flames you have to come out with a contrary post telling us that all is good and that fan concerns aren't relevant. I get you are trying to be the mod-cheerleader for the team and try to pick apart anything you deem negative but this trade doesn't guarantee the Flames anything. It's not like Hamonic was a game changer on Long Island so lets not plan any parades or start tooting horns that we have even a top 10 blue line group as this club hasn't been close to a top 10 defensive team in a long time and until it happens it's nothing but conjecture.

Maybe Hamonic improves the defense some but this is a major overpayment for a 4th defender IMO and if this guy doesn't play a lot better than he did for the Islanders it's going to be looked at as a very large payment for a guy that's not a difference maker.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Didn’t know where to put this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1734021294310523369

LTIR is being abused and has been for years.

Well, if his MRI showed any sort of damage, it's not really an abuse of LTIR - just a player with a bum shoulder not wanting to go through the grind.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, if his MRI showed any sort of damage, it's not really an abuse of LTIR - just a player with a bum shoulder not wanting to go through the grind.

That is why LTIR can be 'abused'. I bet the majority of players are playing through something during the season and just play through it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Didn’t know where to put this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1734021294310523369

LTIR is being abused and has been for years.

It's pretty well exactly as we suspected, even though some people insisted the NHL was a league of integrity where things are never done under the table to skirt the rules.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That is why LTIR can be 'abused'. I bet the majority of players are playing through something during the season and just play through it.

Yeah, but no player should be forced to play through any injury - so there should be a mechanism to protect them. If you're carrying any sort of injury that you feel you shouldn't play through, then you shouldn't play through it.

The norm should not be what Sean Monahan did to himself.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, if his MRI showed any sort of damage, it's not really an abuse of LTIR - just a player with a bum shoulder not wanting to go through the grind.

Originally Posted by Bonded

That is why LTIR can be 'abused'. I bet the majority of players are playing through something during the season and just play through it.

This is why the entire conversation is dumb.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but no player should be forced to play through any injury - so there should be a mechanism to protect them. If you're carrying any sort of injury that you feel you shouldn't play through, then you shouldn't play through it.

The norm should not be what Sean Monahan did to himself.

It’s not even about “playing through stuff”. It’s not possible to play this game without damaging tendons, ligaments, cartilage, your brain, etc…

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL revising history? This is my post from the Hamonic trade thread. I knew at the time he was playing poorly for the Islanders. I was bang on BTW.

No offence, but I'm guessing no one here finds it surprising that you had negative things to say about a Flames roster player a few years ago.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but no player should be forced to play through any injury - so there should be a mechanism to protect them. If you're carrying any sort of injury that you feel you shouldn't play through, then you shouldn't play through it.

The norm should not be what Sean Monahan did to himself.

Except he wasn't doing it to protect his shoulder. He didn't want to be sent down so he wanted the team to use his shoulder as an excuse.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No offence, but I'm guessing no one here finds it surprising that you had negative things to say about a Flames roster player a few years ago.

No offense while you take a dig at me? No problem Bingo.

[getbak]

We've known about that sort of stuff for years. Hell, the Flames were one of the first teams to use LTIRetirement back when Rhett Warrener did exactly the same thing.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by getbak

We've known about that sort of stuff for years. Hell, the Flames were one of the first teams to use LTIRetirement back when Rhett Warrener did exactly the same thing.

Rhett I think was different. His story is that the NHL sent a doctor to confirm. I think back then it was a lot more strict. The NHL of late is just going through the motions because so many teams are at the cap and a lot of teams can only function because they take on LTIR retirement contracts. Players don't care that GMs are abusing the system, because they get paid.

[sureLoss]

The story that Tootoo tells isn't really LTIR salary cap abuse. He was waived sent to the minors and then the injury was used as an excuse so he didn't have to play for the AHL team.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It’s not even about “playing through stuff”. It’s not possible to play this game without damaging tendons, ligaments, cartilage, your brain, etc…

Not possible to play 82 games + pre season + playoffs without getting hurt.

or inother words, without percocets.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, but no player should be forced to play through any injury - so there should be a mechanism to protect them. If you're carrying any sort of injury that you feel you shouldn't play through, then you shouldn't play through it.

The norm should not be what Sean Monahan did to himself.

Monahan is the one who chose to play through the injuries and there should be a better system in place but what do you do when the player tells the doctor he is a 7/10 when he is really a 3/10.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The story that Tootoo tells isn't really LTIR salary cap abuse. He was waived sent to the minors and then the injury was used as an excuse so he didn't have to play for the AHL team.

It also shows how a player and organization can work together to (ab)use LTIR in order to get what they want.

Anybody who thinks teams and players don't abuse this to A) get rest for the player, but he's not really as hurt as is claimed, and B) add to the roster because now you can go over the cap and then magically bring everybody back onto the roster come playoff time, is living in denial IMO

The Lightning and Golden Knights are masters at this, and have won 3 of the last 4 cups.