2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If they fill that cap space with UFAs, and guys like Zary, Pelletier, and Coronato develop well, they will probably be a bubble team against next season. Look at the rosters of the teams at the bottom of the standings this season - they’re bad. I don’t see the Flames having a roster that bad next season.

So basically where they are now. Not in a playoff spot and drating around 11 or 12. Basically the absolute worst position you could be in. Classic.

[stemit14]

I really have no sense on Markstrom’s trade value. Going into this season, he would be a salary dump. He’s been much better this season but his numbers are not that impressive. At the same time, he is a legit starter in the league who could stabilize the position for some teams. I think any trade for Markstrom would need to include taking back a bad contract. How bad the contract is would dictate the return you get for markstrom.

Using the leafs as an example… i could see the flames having to take back Ryan Reaves. Other pieces would likely have to be involved for the cap to work for leafs. But who adds picks/prospects? I don’t really know. Markstrom’s cap hit is much bigger (which is a huge factor) but he is a contributing player at an important position. Reaves is just a warm body at this point who is signed for 3 years. Most leaf fans would say he is not an NHLer at this point. Likely not what the leafs need.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I really have no sense on Markstrom’s trade value. Going into this season, he would be a salary dump. He’s been much better this season but his numbers are not that impressive. At the same time, he is a legit starter in the league who could stabilize the position for some teams. I think any trade for Markstrom would need to include taking back a bad contract. How bad the contract is would dictate the return you get for markstrom.

Using the leafs as an example… i could see the flames having to take back Ryan Reaves. Other pieces would likely have to be involved for the cap to work for leafs. But who adds picks/prospects? I don’t really know. Markstrom’s cap hit is much bigger (which is a huge factor) but he is a contributing player at an important position. Reaves is just a warm body at this point who is signed for 3 years. Most leaf fans would say he is not an NHLer at this point. Likely not what the leafs need.

I think Markstrom at full hit would be worth a 3rd or something. Value increases with how bad the dump is

[traptor]

Team refuses to tank. Lots of fans would support a rebuild but lots won't and management/ownership obviously don't want to.

We're getting younger but we're not going to be a much better/worse team. We we're 16th overall last season. Trending for 22nd this season.
This is 30th to 50th percentile. Slightly below average. The worst possible position to be in.

We need wolf, zary, coronato, honzek, pelletier and porier to smash their ceiling potentials otherwise this team will remain a 16th-23rd team.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Team refuses to tank. Lots of fans would support a rebuild but lots won't and management/ownership obviously don't want to.

We're getting younger but we're not going to be a much better/worse team. We we're 16th overall last season. Trending for 22nd this season.
This is 30th to 50th percentile. Slightly below average. The worst possible position to be in.

We need wolf, zary, coronato, honzek, pelletier and porier to smash their ceiling potentials otherwise this team will remain a 16th-23rd team.

Nah. Once Hanifin and Tanev are gone they will be a bottom 5 team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Woll has a much higher ceiling than Vladar.

No kidding.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I really have no sense on Markstrom’s trade value. Going into this season, he would be a salary dump. He’s been much better this season but his numbers are not that impressive. At the same time, he is a legit starter in the league who could stabilize the position for some teams. I think any trade for Markstrom would need to include taking back a bad contract. How bad the contract is would dictate the return you get for markstrom.

Using the leafs as an example… i could see the flames having to take back Ryan Reaves. Other pieces would likely have to be involved for the cap to work for leafs. But who adds picks/prospects? I don’t really know. Markstrom’s cap hit is much bigger (which is a huge factor) but he is a contributing player at an important position. Reaves is just a warm body at this point who is signed for 3 years. Most leaf fans would say he is not an NHLer at this point. Likely not what the leafs need.

I think you’re undervaluing Markstrom. Salary retained, I think Markstrom would be very attractive to a few teams trying to compete now, namely the Hurricanes and the Kings. Leafs too, although I believe they’re high on Woll.

I think if the Flames were to retain $1-2M, they could get a very good prospect or a nice package of picks in return.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah. Once Hanifin and Tanev are gone they will be a bottom 5 team.

Replace them with Skjei and Dumba and they may be worse, but still not a bottom 5 team.


Zary-Kadri-Sharangovich
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Mangiapane-Henrique-Coronato
Pelletier-Ruzcika-Pospisil

Weegar-Andersson
Skjei-Dumba
Solovyov-Gilbert

Markstrom
Wolf

And that’s not including Kylington, or any NHL-ready players returned in the deals for Hanifin, Lindholm, and Tanev.

That’s not a great roster. But it’s not bottom five either. You need to have a deliberately terrible roster (CHI, SJ, ANA) or just totally implode (CBJ) to finish bottom five in the NHL.

[Redrum]

At this point they better be retaining all 50%. No point in holding back unless they found a sucker for one of the long term anchors.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Replace them with Skjei and Dumba and they may be worse, but still not a bottom 5 team.


Zary-Kadri-Sharangovich
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Mangiapane-Henrique-Coronato
Pelletier-Ruzcika-Pospisil

Weegar-Andersson
Skjei-Dumba
Solovyov-Gilbert

Markstrom
Wolf

And that’s not including Kylington, or any NHL-ready players returned in the deals for Hanifin, Lindholm, and Tanev.

That’s not a great roster. But it’s not bottom five either. You need to have a deliberately terrible roster (CHI, SJ, ANA) or just totally implode (CBJ) to finish bottom five in the NHL.

Calgary is 3 points out of bottom 5.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are probably correct, my intel on the Leafs is they want to sign Nylander but they are not close on term and money so things can go sour. I would definitely not say that he won't be traded though, BT still has the Gaudreau situation fresh in his mind and I don't think he will allow such a valuable asset walk as rental no matter what position the team is in. The Leafs have plenty of offence besides Nylander, what they don't have is defence and a true #1 goaltender. If they are still not close as we get close to the trade deadline or if someone makes an offer that addresses their needs I think there is a good chance they pivot from signing him. I think if the Flames offered that package that was speculated on earlier in the thread BT would absolutely jump all over that. The Leafs are much more of a contender with the additions of Hanifin, Tanev, and Lindholm than Nylander and Brodie whose game has fallen off a cliff.

Your intel is intel, can’t disagree with that. But historically when any team is in contention they never deal those guys. They’d rather give up a pick than mess with production or team chemistry. Plus I doubt Shanahan would allow Treliving to do that. So while I shouldn’t use the word never, it’s pretty close to zero.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Replace them with Skjei and Dumba and they may be worse, but still not a bottom 5 team.


Zary-Kadri-Sharangovich
Huberdeau-Backlund-Coleman
Mangiapane-Henrique-Coronato
Pelletier-Ruzcika-Pospisil

Weegar-Andersson
Skjei-Dumba
Solovyov-Gilbert

Markstrom
Wolf

And that’s not including Kylington, or any NHL-ready players returned in the deals for Hanifin, Lindholm, and Tanev.

That’s not a great roster. But it’s not bottom five either. You need to have a deliberately terrible roster (CHI, SJ, ANA) or just totally implode (CBJ) to finish bottom five in the NHL.

Dumba is a bad defensive dman who cannot score points anymore. You could get him on the cheap at least.

Not sure why Brady Skjei would come to Calgary short of a massive overpay. There would be an actual contender who could probably pony up enough money. Even if he did sign, him and Dumba is a pretty big drop from Tanev and Hanifin as a second pair.

Really hope they avoid NHL ready players coming back for any of the players they trade. That would be a pretty big mistake given where they are at. Conroy avoided that on the Zadorov deal so that is a good start.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary is 3 points out of bottom 5.

They are the 8th worst team in the NHL right now. Nobody is really running away with this thing either, the Sharks have gone on a bit of a heater. Bottom 5 is a real possibility this year.

It would be a real head scratcher if they were one of the worst teams in the NHL this year and then they decided to retool to try to make the playoffs next year. Currently 11th in the Western Conference in terms of winning percentage. A retool would be in name only as this team is not really close to competing with the top teams. Hopefully any UFAs they sign are for one year deals so they can move them at the deadline.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They are the 8th worst team in the NHL right now. Nobody is really running away with this thing either, the Sharks have gone on a bit of a heater. Bottom 5 is a real possibility this year.

It would be a real head scratcher if they were one of the worst teams in the NHL this year and then they decided to retool to try to make the playoffs next year. Currently 11th in the Western Conference in terms of winning percentage. A retool would be in name only as this team is not really close to competing with the top teams. Hopefully any UFAs they sign are for one year deals so they can move them at the deadline.

Yeah, if they subtract Hanifin and Tanev in the next month or so. It’ll be a guaranteed bottom 5 finish in my opinion even if they bring some warm bodies in.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

Ethan Bear closing in on signing.
Capitals believed to have made a strong pitch.

Teams have called Van about Kuzmenko
Ice time has dropped and teams curious what Van wants to do with him.

One team asked the Flyers if they were willing to move both Sean Walker and Nick Seeler in a package

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Your intel is intel, can’t disagree with that. But historically when any team is in contention they never deal those guys. They’d rather give up a pick than mess with production or team chemistry. Plus I doubt Shanahan would allow Treliving to do that. So while I shouldn’t use the word never, it’s pretty close to zero.

I agree. Teams historically never make moves like this. Especially mid season or at the deadline. Nylander has also been their best player. He's in his prime right now and you hold onto a guy like that if you're trying to chase a cup in the next 3 to 5 years.

[stang]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I really have no sense on Markstrom’s trade value. Going into this season, he would be a salary dump. He’s been much better this season but his numbers are not that impressive. At the same time, he is a legit starter in the league who could stabilize the position for some teams. I think any trade for Markstrom would need to include taking back a bad contract. How bad the contract is would dictate the return you get for markstrom.

Using the leafs as an example… i could see the flames having to take back Ryan Reaves. Other pieces would likely have to be involved for the cap to work for leafs. But who adds picks/prospects? I don’t really know. Markstrom’s cap hit is much bigger (which is a huge factor) but he is a contributing player at an important position. Reaves is just a warm body at this point who is signed for 3 years. Most leaf fans would say he is not an NHLer at this point. Likely not what the leafs need.

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by stang

Taking all the bias out.

What would a realistic Markstrom for Campbell trade look like?

Edit: I know it won’t happen, just for fun.

Markstrom for Campbell+McDavid+2024, 2025, 2026 1st overall picks.

You're our biggest rival. No way we're doing you a favor unless we can rape your corpse.

In all seriousness, considering Markstrom is still pretty good and Campbell is a long-term cap dump, I'm not entirely sure that my proposal is that far off. Maybe not McDavid in there, but those 3 picks at least would be required to do that kind of favor.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

I agree. Teams historically never make moves like this. Especially mid season or at the deadline. Nylander has also been their best player. He's in his prime right now and you hold onto a guy like that if you're trying to chase a cup in the next 3 to 5 years.

It's no good holding onto a guy like that if you can't field a decent defensive group and a goalie that can get you there. The proof is directly North of Calgary.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Markstrom for Campbell+McDavid+2024, 2025, 2026 1st overall picks.

You're our biggest rival. No way we're doing you a favor unless we can rape your corpse.

In all seriousness, considering Markstrom is still pretty good and Campbell is a long-term cap dump, I'm not entirely sure that my proposal is that far off. Maybe not McDavid in there, but those 3 picks at least would be required to do that kind of favor.

Great reading comprehension.

Plus you’re a panthers fan

Also Markstroms 34th in save% so I wouldn’t say he’s pretty good.