2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Set your price, if it meets or gets as close to as possible, pull the trigger.

The problem is, you never really know if it's as close to possible. There is always some guesswork, as the market changes.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by neo45

Unless an agent tweets something stupid then you gotta give him exactly what he wants

For a malcontent 5D that you weren't going to be collecting a ransom for anyway? I suppose. If Lindholm's agent were to do that fir example, it changes nothing IMO.

That said I would have held onto Zadorov a bit longer.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The problem is, you never really know if it's as close to possible. There is always some guesswork, as the market changes.

Yes you do.

If you set your price for Hanifin lets say, at a 2024 1st and a AAA prospect, thats the price. If a team comes back to you with a 3rd and a cap dump, move on.

If someone comes back with a late 1st 2 years out and that AAA prospect, and you're comfortable with it, make the trade.

Don't stare that deal down and say, I can wait and do better if it meets your criteria.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For a malcontent 5D that you weren't going to be collecting a ransom for anyway? I suppose. If Lindholm's agent were to do that fir example, it changes nothing IMO.

That said I would have held onto Zadorov a bit longer.

With Kylington progressing, and a couple youngsters deserving a look, they got close enough where the balance of roster flexibility made up for the equity. And they pulled the trigger. I dig it.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

With Kylington progressing, and a couple youngsters deserving a look, they got close enough where the balance of roster flexibility made up for the equity. And they pulled the trigger. I dig it.

Yeah, I understood it, just didn't like that it was Vancouver and that on the surface there wasn't that in division premium of any sort.

This is where the logical portion of my brain gets beaten down by fandom.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Yes you do.

If you set your price for Hanifin lets say, at a 2024 1st and a AAA prospect, thats the price. If a team comes back to you with a 3rd and a cap dump, move on.

If someone comes back with a late 1st 2 years out and that AAA prospect, and you're comfortable with it, make the trade.

Don't stare that deal down and say, I can wait and do better if it meets your criteria.

It is never very intelligent, in trade negotiations, for the club that owns the player to set the trade price of said asset.

It is far more beneficial to set a firm date for clubs to provide their final and best offer. Then, make your decision whether to move on the best offer, or keep the player.

That is how to obtain best market value and simplify negotiations.

[kyuss275]

If flames want the best possible asset on trading hanifin and tanev , I would be trading them right now . In no world do the flames have in house players to replace them. I can almost guarantee flames would be looking at a top 5 pick with the D left in the team. You want a blue chip prospect out of the deal that’s the way to go. Not getting blue chip prospects for either guys a a rentals

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732463654111523197

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by timbit

It is never very intelligent, in trade negotiations, for the club that owns the player to set the trade price of said asset.

It is far more beneficial to set a firm date for clubs to provide their final and best offer. Then, make your decision whether to move on the best offer, or keep the player.

That is how to obtain best market value and simplify negotiations.

Your price is kept internal.

Think of it like selling a car. You know what you'll settle on, but your ask is usually more. Often significantly more.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by timbit

It is never very intelligent, in trade negotiations, for the club that owns the player to set the trade price of said asset.

It is far more beneficial to set a firm date for clubs to provide their final and best offer. Then, make your decision whether to move on the best offer, or keep the player.

That is how to obtain best market value and simplify negotiations.

So, during the bolded, you expect the team to have no idea what they are looking for? You and toonage are saying the same thing here.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

As you say, there is a lots of real estate between the rental deal and the signed deal. Boston would only need to pay a bit more than the rental price.

You make it sound like they can look it up like a house on realtor.ca.

It's a prisoner's dilemma that would pull a premium. If they guess wrong on the premium the player is off to another destination with that team in the driver seat to sign him long term.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Your price is kept internal.

Think of it like selling a car. You know what you'll settle on, but your ask is usually more. Often significantly more.

Why would you determine “your price”, when “their price” might be better?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by timbit

Why would you determine “your price”, when “their price” might be better?

If their offer is more than your ask, dive across the table and shake their hand.

[Toonage]

TO just announced Klingberg officially done for the season btw, having surgery on his hip.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If their offer is more than your ask, dive across the table and shake their hand.

Why would they ever offer more than “you ask” ?

That’s why you let them make their best offer.

Seriously man…this is negotiation 101.

[Bingo]

I think you're both right.

Internal price as a barometer = X
Deadline price for suitors = Y

If Y > X you move the player after doing a Y1 vs Y2 vs Y3 analysis.

[Tkachukwagon]

Tanev stock raising:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1732467734271725809

[ForeverFlameFan]

If Brad really wants Tanev he needs to pony up.

Timmins + 2024 1st for Tanev at 50%. They can utilize their extra cap to make another deadline move later (if there is any). There isn't much interest to me from Toronto's end if the 1st isn't available, unless Minten/Cowan/Niemela is coming back. Doubt they move Knies.

One team I think might be in on Tanev would be the Stars. They could use a shutdown D.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

If Brad really wants Tanev he needs to pony up.

Timmins + 2024 1st for Tanev at 50%. They can utilize their extra cap to make another deadline move later (if there is any). There isn't much interest to me from Toronto's end if the 1st isn't available, unless Minten/Cowan/Niemela is coming back. Doubt they move Knies.

One team I think might be in on Tanev would be the Stars. They could use a shutdown D.

I would do Tanev for Bischel.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If their offer is more than your ask, dive across the table and shake their hand.