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Old 11-30-2023, 04:35 PM   #141
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Actually, the trade is warming up to me. I see it as:


Out
Zadorov

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3rd and a 5th
3.5 million in cap space
Moving up from 16th in the draft to comfortably inside the top 10 with Oesterle and/or Desimone being fixtures on the bottom pairing.


I kid.. I kid... sort of.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:36 PM   #142
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I'll. Just sit back and wait for the the usual posters to try and do some kinda of justification and how this is actually the greatest move.

I don't know about the greatest move, but I'm pretty fond of it and this was someone who didn't want Zadorov.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:36 PM   #143
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Sigh.

The trade wasn’t going to get much more or less than what we got. Zadorov was way more accomplished at talking a good game than he was at playing a good game.

Bye.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:37 PM   #144
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Weird timing and gross return. This also makes us worse now as who’s going to take his spot in the line up.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:37 PM   #145
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This is a bad trade. It would just be an "okay" trade if is was a 2024 3rd and 5th. I don't care if he's bringing the entire room down. You just need to wait until the trade deadline if you're going to whiff on a trade like this. I guess the only thing that would make me feel better about the 2026 3rd, is if they have knowledge that the 2026 draft will be as good as the 2023rd draft.

Don't make us miss Treliving Conroy. That would be bad.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:39 PM   #146
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Doing it today really makes no sense too...do this on Sunday...after you play them.

But yeah I really don't get helping out a divisional rival, 2 days before you play them, for a return that can be deemed acceptable at best, and extremely underwhelming at it's worst.

Getting this return on March 8th...perfectly fine clearly the best return you could get.

Getting this return now before the cap accrual opened up more of a market...unacceptable IMO.

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Old 11-30-2023, 04:39 PM   #147
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For the record, this is around what I suggest the Canucks would be willing to pay. I am shocked no one else overpaid.


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Doing it today really makes no sense too...do this on Sunday...after you play them

Canucks may have put a clock on it.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:40 PM   #148
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Embarassing return. Obviously was the best we could get...but that's brutal.

Z screwed us with the public trade request. His value at the deadline would have been significantly greater.

Hopefully this opens the floodgates...but other GM's will see this and assume they can fleece us too.
This might true, but if it is then it was smart for him to go public. He gets out like he wanted and his new team required less assets to get him. Win win for Z, should probably be the strategy for everyone who wants a trade.

Compare this with Tkachuk who ironically made his new team worse by providing the Flames with option value in trade negotiations.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:40 PM   #149
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Another thought: can we assume that Zadorov not being very good this year affected his trade value?
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:40 PM   #150
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For the record, this is around what I suggest the Canucks would be willing to pay. I am shocked no one else overpaid.
I'm sure someone else would have overpaid, but the Canucks were just the only ones willing and/or able to clear the salary to make it work
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Positive is that he took draft picks instead of retread prospects. Negative is that the return seems lower than what I thought he would get. Positive is that it makes it more likely other UFAs will be traded.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:41 PM   #152
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My immediate reaction lines up with most. When I check myself, to be honest I'm not sure what I think a bottom pairing Dman is actually worth, all I know is I'm underwhelmed by the return.

So far in evaluating Conroy:

- I've been impressed with his patience - and if anything this move is a sign he won't push the team in the wrong direction.

- Re: Tofoli trade - I'd say was average at best, but I grow more fond of it each game tbh.

- Z trade - feels like a loss.

As someone else pointed out, the upcoming moves, specifically Hanifin and Lindholm (sign or trades) will be where the rubber hits the road, but starting to get more data points to judge Conroy on.
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Doing it today really makes no sense too...do this on Sunday...after you play them.

But yeah I really don't get helping out a divisional rival, 2 days before you play them, for a return that can be deemed acceptable at best, and extremely underwhelming at it's worst.

Getting this return on March 8th...perfectly fine clearly the best return you could get.

Getting this return now before the cap accrual opened up more of a market...unacceptable IMO.
I don't know. Not loving the trade, but, if the dressing room was really done with him. Might be a good thing to have him playing against us on Sat, extra motivation.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:41 PM   #154
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It's a fine trade.

I think he makes a lot of defensive mistakes.

He's not going to help them out there, and fans are going to turn on him real fast.
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We got him for a 3rd… can someone tell me why an older, near UFA, trade requesting Zadorov has increased his value?
I do think he’s a better player now than when we acquired him. More responsible, more (though not completely) reliable, still in his 20s. Used to be more of a wildcard. But yes also a pending UFA.

It’s that it’s a ‘26 pick that really bums me out.
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This trade sucks and blows at the same time.

If the market is this bad, they should have just held on to him until the deadline and took whatever was available then. It couldn’t be worse than this return…and if somehow it was, I’d probably just hold on and let him walk at the end of his deal.
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Positive is that he took draft picks instead of retread prospects. Negative is that the return seems lower than what I thought he would get. Positive is that it makes it more likely other UFAs will be traded.
Negative is that the other UFAs will probably fetch a lower return than what we are expecting.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:43 PM   #158
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I don't know. Not loving the trade, but, if the dressing room was really done with him. Might be a good thing to have him playing against us on Sat, extra motivation.
Or he takes somebodys head off.

If somebody is going to do something ridiculous to hurt somebody i'd take Zadorov over the entire remaining Flames roster.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:43 PM   #159
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I think many people may have overvalued Zadorov. This trade is just fine.
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Old 11-30-2023, 04:43 PM   #160
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Agreed with others. Underwhelmed. Why do it now for peanuts? Might as well wait another month or two and see what you can get. I don't get it.
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