Thoughts: A second stint for Gaudreau in Calgary?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm more bummed about Gaudreau's departure leading to Tkachuk's departure (probably the straw that broke the camel's back for Matthew) than the fact that Johnny is no longer here.

Flames probably would've made out okay if they retained Tkachuk and weren't forced into trading him too.

Really was the worst part about JG leaving.

If Tkachuk stays, they probably use the Gaudreau cap space to get Kadri, and keep Monahan and the first.

[browna]

Originally Posted by chedder

As soon as Matthew signed the 3 year deal in 2019 he was as good as gone. Hindsight is 20/20 but Treliving should have max termed him then. Nothing to do with Johnny.

Yes, Tkachuk's last deal basically played out as they all thought it would, where he leaves the season before before finishing out his deal. Both sides knew that how it was going to play out at that signing, and certianly before those Dallas playoff series if not sooner (IMO, when he wasn't given the extension that was tied to the captaincy, before the last season here, that was the final straw)so BT could have had discussions with potential teams for trades long before the trade was consummated.

Tkachuk's situation smelt like roses to some because of the way he acted, directly opposite to the back and forth the JG thing that had just played out. It was business like only because it was all agreed to basically by both sides before, and MT wanted no part of being here with the Flames or Calgary, no matter what.

JG however grappled with the stress of the unknown with a first baby months away, and the options that his agent was assumed to working on for previous years, not transpiring either, and the legacy he could've had here was also important.

So MT had no desire to be here at all, but looked better at the end because he planned his exit years ago, where a big part of hockey JG wanted to stay, even after he declined the Flames last offer, but husband and father JG felt the obligation to family for other locations.

[heep223]

That was the first BJs game I watched this year and wow are they BAD. At least Gaudreau got a bag of money (albeit a smaller bag than if he stayed here)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Smelled, not smelt.

Unless you're from the UK.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Too bad Tkachuk's bridge was signed just before it became trendy to pay high ceiling players and lock them into max term right out of their ELCs

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Could have been in the debate with Iginla as the greatest Flame ever. Instead will be hated by fans in two different countries.

Yeah he was never going to be in the same category as a hall of famer like Jarome.

Jarome was looked at as the best player in the world for years.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm more bummed about Gaudreau's departure leading to Tkachuk's departure (probably the straw that broke the camel's back for Matthew) than the fact that Johnny is no longer here.

Flames probably would've made out okay if they retained Tkachuk and weren't forced into trading him too.

Really was the worst part about JG leaving.

There was no way Chucky was staying past that season. Unless we built him a condo building in the dome parking lot so he could walk to work in sandals.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm more bummed about Gaudreau's departure leading to Tkachuk's departure (probably the straw that broke the camel's back for Matthew) than the fact that Johnny is no longer here.

Flames probably would've made out okay if they retained Tkachuk and weren't forced into trading him too.

Really was the worst part about JG leaving.

Tkachuk was gone as soon as the playoffs ended and Sutter won the Jack Adams.

He set himself up well when his contract expired. The arrival of Sutter probably ended any chance of him staying anyways. He wants to be the face of the franchise, he wants to be in the news all the time with his antics and that was not going to happen here.

Now he might score 10 goals this year.

[FanIn80]

Holy. Some of you folks have some serious projection issues. Not a single one of you know what actually happened with Tkachuk anymore than I do. "He planned it all years ago." "He never wanted anything to do with us." "All he wants is to be in the news everyday."

That's some crazy stuff. (also, pro tip: if you want to be in the news everyday as a hockey player, then you stay in Calgary instead of moving to Florida)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Too bad Tkachuk's bridge was signed just before it became trendy to pay high ceiling players and lock them into max term right out of their ELCs

I don't think Tkachuk would have signed max term. His notion of long term seemed to start at 5 or 6 years even according to his own ex post facto comments.

[timun]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Holy. Some of you folks have some serious projection issues. Not a single one of you know what actually happened with Tkachuk anymore than I do. "He planned it all years ago."

He/his representatives definitely planned out his last contract with the Flames such that he'd be an RFA at absolutely the most advantageous point possible, which pointed to him wanting to test the UFA market as quickly as possible.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

There was no way Chucky was staying past that season. Unless we built him a condo building in the dome parking lot so he could walk to work in sandals.

They could’ve kept him if they’d offered him the captaincy and paid him what he was worth heading into his last year.

Did Calgary offer Tkachuk 8x$10.5? Because if I know anything about the Tkachuk family, they like money.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Holy. Some of you folks have some serious projection issues. Not a single one of you know what actually happened with Tkachuk anymore than I do. "He planned it all years ago." "He never wanted anything to do with us." "All he wants is to be in the news everyday."

That's some crazy stuff. (also, pro tip: if you want to be in the news everyday as a hockey player, then you stay in Calgary instead of moving to Florida)

If enough people not in the know say it, it must be true!

Sutter did say Tkachuk gave off lonely vibes and didn't have much to do outside of the rink, so I'd believe him leaning towards leaving in the last year or so, but I don't think it was "planned" as early as that contract being inked.

I think that's people projecting because its an easy conclusion to settle on. To write it off as Calgary never stood a chance of retaining him because he plotted right from the start to get back to murica is easier to stomach.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They could’ve kept him if they’d offered him the captaincy and paid him what he was worth heading into his last year.

Did Calgary offer Tkachuk 8x$10.5? Because if I know anything about the Tkachuk family, they like money.

This last round or when they bridged him? If the former, probably, if the latter no way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They could’ve kept him if they’d offered him the captaincy and paid him what he was worth heading into his last year.

Did Calgary offer Tkachuk 8x$10.5? Because if I know anything about the Tkachuk family, they like money.

Think it was said he took less money to go to Florida, but I believe the Flames did offer him the same deal as Johnny.

It was never a money thing.

Don't he was ever offered the captaincy, and I don't he would have been with the way Sutter handled things regarding having a captain.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

They could’ve kept him if they’d offered him the captaincy and paid him what he was worth heading into his last year.

Did Calgary offer Tkachuk 8x$10.5? Because if I know anything about the Tkachuk family, they like money.

Chucky HATED the 56 game season and I think it played a huge role in him moving on. He was stuck in Canada with more restrictions than in the States, he was 23 and for the first time this fan base somewhat started to turn on him. It wasn’t until late in the year when the Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line was formed did he start to produce. I remember at garbage bag day that year he was asked if they were going to talk extension that summer and he said no very swiftly.

There was the orange Julius rumor he may have signed for 8-8.5 for 8 years after his second season but that was never proven. Someone made the comment Edward’s balked at the deal because Chucky had 2 years of 48 and 49 pts. He would go on to score 77 the next year and thanks to Dubas any 8 year deal would need to be over $10M to make sense. They couldn’t get the 6 year deal figured out and Treliving gave him his get out of Calgary free card with the 3 year bridge with high QO

[activeStick]

What could have been, Johnny.... What could have been.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730353390151233685

[Hockey_Ninja]

Just looked this up:

Huberdeau since getting benched: 2 goals, 7 assists, 9 points in 11 games (he got an assist taken away last night so it was 10 points in 11 games)

Gaudreau since getting benched: 2 goals, 4 assists, 6 points in 13 games

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What could have been, Johnny.... What could have been.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730353390151233685

There was little chance that Johnny would still be in top form in Calgary without Tkachuk and Monahan (the good one)

Johnny was great but he is not the guy that can do it all by himself

Johnny would be a 60 pt guy with Backlund and Coleman

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Johnny would be playing with Lindholm though.