Star Wars

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Ahsoka was mediocre disney content and had poor ratings, the timing to promote Filoni doesn't look great. Will he keep Mrs Panderverse out of the creative process at least?

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by KTrain

This sums it up nicely. Might be the reason some people struggle to get through it. Worth making it through the first couple seasons that were more child focused.

I hear this a lot about shows I give up on. Who the heck has time to watch two seasons of show before it gets good?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

I hear this a lot about shows I give up on. Who the heck has time to watch two seasons of show before it gets good?

How old are you?

I mean...I'm a Star Trek fan and one of my absolute favourite shows on the face of this Earth is Next Generation...and my friend...that show sucked out loud for almost 3 years.

When I go back and watch it, sure, theres nostalgia...but man alive am I surprised as hell they kept paying to make that show after season 2 way back in the day.

Some shows need some time to find their feet.

Voyager sucked balls for its entire 7 year run and people still watched that.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Locke

How old are you?

I mean...I'm a Star Trek fan and one of my absolute favourite shows on the face of this Earth is Next Generation...and my friend...that show sucked out loud for almost 3 years.

When I go back and watch it, sure, theres nostalgia...but man alive am I surprised as hell they kept paying to make that show after season 2 way back in the day.

Some shows need some time to find their feet.

Voyager sucked balls for its entire 7 year run and people still watched that.

TNG yes, it took them a long time to find their footing, a rewatch will have you wondering how it didn't get cancelled early in the run, but it does come out the other side.

Voyager? I think not my cup of tea, mediocre, whatever. But we need to restrain our statements about things sucking balls for things that suck balls. Like the Rise of Skywalker or episode of Boba Fett with the teens on Vespas, or Secret Invasion, or the whole DCEU...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by #-3

TNG yes, it took them a long time to find their footing, a rewatch will have you wondering how it didn't get cancelled early in the run, but it does come out the other side.

Voyager? I think not my cup of tea, mediocre, whatever. But we need to restrain our statements about things sucking balls for things that suck balls. Like the Rise of Skywalker or episode of Boba Fett with the teens on Vespas, or Secret Invasion, or the whole DCEU...

Oh! A lot of those suck balls. But just TNG, they had something and they used it and they used it hard.

Its called 'Goodwill.'

People will give you a break because they want to see something succeed. Its often only later that 'that sucked' really seeps in.

I think about re-watch-ability.

I can re-watch the Original Star Wars Trilogy...essentially endlessly. Star Trek? For the most part, but part of that is because theres so much content you can cycle through it over years.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by Locke

How old are you?

I mean...I'm a Star Trek fan and one of my absolute favourite shows on the face of this Earth is Next Generation...and my friend...that show sucked out loud for almost 3 years.

When I go back and watch it, sure, theres nostalgia...but man alive am I surprised as hell they kept paying to make that show after season 2 way back in the day.

Some shows need some time to find their feet.

Voyager sucked balls for its entire 7 year run and people still watched that.

Ha, I started watching TNG in season 4 in my early teens. Really.got into it during season 5 and then caught up on the older episodes. Prior to that I did watch some TOS.

Also, my first Doctor Who episode I ever saw was Blink. So I like watching shows when they are good.

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

I hear this a lot about shows I give up on. Who the heck has time to watch two seasons of show before it gets good?

That's not what this meme means though. It's just that the first couple seasons of Clone Wars were more lighthearted and kid friendly. Then it starts taking on darker storylines and gets much heavier.

[timun]

Originally Posted by pseudoreality

Who the heck has time to watch two seasons of show before it gets good?

[timun]

Oh, I see Locke has already pointed this out. This is what I get for not reading replies before making my own. Oh well; the gif stands.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by timun

Oh, I see Locke has already pointed this out. This is what I get for not reading replies before making my own. Oh well; the gif stands.

Take your 'Thanks' you miserable bastard!

[timun]

No u!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by timun

No u!

Favreau when Kennedy's Wall Fell!

Wait...what thread is this?

[SutterBrother]

Had a discussion at dinner regarding ranking the Star Wars Movies.

(No TV shows)

Great!
Empire
Rogue One
New Hope

Really good - couple “iffy” moments
Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi

Flawed Had some stuff that was really immersion breaking
Solo
Phantom Menace
Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith

Bad
Rise of Skywalker
Attack of the Clones

Am I nuts?

[CaptainCrunch]

No your not nuts, its a good list, mines a little different


Great!
Empire - great story, great dialogue, great characters, beautifully shot.
Rogue One - great story, great dialogue, great characters, beautifully shot, no Jedi game changing.
New Hope - great story, some dialogue issues, great characters, beautifully shot

Really good - couple “iffy” moments
Force Awakens - good story, good dialogue, good characters, beautifully shot, not a great set of villains.
Return of the Jedi - great story, great dialogue, great characters, beautifully shot, Ewoks was a questionable choice.

Flawed Had some stuff that was really immersion breaking
Solo - I liked it, ok story, surprisingly good dialogue, good characters, like Han and Lando, beautifully shot
Phantom Menace - underwhelming story, but Palpatines rise was great, awkward dialogue, Ewan, Liam and Ian were awesome, Natalie and Jake struggled, beautifully shot
Revenge of the Sith - rushed should have been two movies. Beautifully shot, Dialog was awkward throughout, Some good dialogue but not enough. Ewan and Ian were great, Haydan and Natalie were wooden, could have been so much better, but I still like the premise.

Bad
Last Jedi - Destroyed the trilogy, forced an attempt to recapture the fan base in the Rise of Skywalker, the story wasn't great, characters acting inconsistency, Made the villains putzes. Some nice shooting and effects. But overall just awful.
Rise of Skywalker - Palpatine was awful, the final fight was terrible, Rose had to miss the battle to do homework. Introduced Kerri Russells character who did nothing, Some really nice shots but it couldn't save the sheer insanity of the story.

Attack of the Clones - Could have been really good, but was over CGI'd. Hayden really struggled with the dialogue as did Natalie. The story really didn't go anywhere and it felt like an establishing story and nothing more. The final fight was underwhelming and was shot too much in close up. Yoda was ridiculous, it should have been a force powers battle instead.

[Yeah_Baby]

The Last Jedi rules.

*runs and hides*

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Children idolized Luke Skywalker (or at least his story) for a reason. I was one of them.

You could let everything else go about the TLJ, all those petty nerd gripes (albeit many warranted), and it still would be an insult to star wars because of that character assassination.

When the actor that's owned the role since the 70s is vocal about how it "wasn't their character" you know they ####ed it in the ###.

But go ahead and drink the chaos. Evil hipsters.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The Last Jedi rules.

*runs and hides*

Okay. Thats just like...your opinion man...but why?

Why dost thou thinketh in this manner??

[#-3]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Children idolized Luke Skywalker (or at least his story) for a reason. I was one of them.

You could let everything else go about the TLJ, all those petty nerd gripes (albeit many warranted), and it still would be an insult to star wars because of that character assassination.

When the actor that's owned the role since the 70s is vocal about how it "wasn't their character" you know they ####ed it in the ###.

But go ahead and drink the chaos. Evil hipsters.

TLJ Luke was the exact same character as ANH and ESB, if there is a version of Luke who wasn't a whinny brat that wanted to run away from the problem in front of him and towards whatever happened to be at the front of his mind, it was RotJ Luke.

Also it wasn't TLJ that wrote that it was TFA that wrote them into that corner. Like Yoda, Obi-Wan and most of the other surviving Jedi, TFA told us that the going got tough and Luke ran and hid. What was TLJ Luke supposed to do? say "I'm so happy you are here Rey, I've been waiting for the perfect student to train, and while there was a whole republic of free planets that would have welcomed me, seeming full of billions ney trillions that might be the one I needed to train. Instead I thought i was more useful for me to leave the fight for 10 years while my enemy got stronger just to make sure a few billion lives are lost and the fight is a little challenging for me"

you guys disrespect the narrative by assuming his character wouldn't have some kind of emotional trauma to overcome that made him leave the fight.

[direwolf]

Angry nerds are constantly blaming Abrams and Johnson for Luke becoming a bitter old hermit living in exile a-la Obi-Wan or Yoda. But the original concept actually came from George Lucas himself. So if you're gonna blame someone, blame the creator. Looks like the sequels just simply borrowed from Lucas' original idea/concept art and expanded on it.

https://www.slashfilm.com/555123/geo...equel-trilogy/

The new Art of Star Wars: The Last Jedi book gives us one small peek at a George Lucas-approved Jedi Temple on the planet that later became known as Ahch-to.

In the book, we learn that one of the first meetings to visualize The Force Awakens happened on January 16, 2013 at Skywalker Ranch with George Lucas himself.

Among the pieces presented at the meeting were portraits of an older Luke Skywalker training a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey). The idea was that, 30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet. The paintings show Luke meditating, reassessing his whole life.

Apparently, the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi. So basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas' Episode 7.

[CaptainCrunch]

You know out of all the story telling elements in TLJ, the one I had the least problem with was Luke's story. Its the only thing that really wasn't shoddily written, and it would make sense that Luke would finally realize what the Jedi learned in the PT. That they hadn't evolved, that they were arrogant, that they were a big reason why the Galaxy willingly fell under the sway of Palpatine.

I think at one point during the speculation around the Last Jedi, I wrote here that I wanted to see Luke follow his father down the dark side and be a big part of a rising of the Sith, and that Snoke was just a hologram and it was Luke who had taken over the First Order in his attempt to bring peace to the Galaxy.

It was the rest of TLJ storys that were just really really terrible, they took a pretty credible enemy in the first order in the first movie and basically made it blunderingly incompetent. They took a pretty good space nazi in Hux and made him the butt of knock knock jokes. Kylo Ren became an even more emotionally unstable flat villian though Driver acted the crap out of it. The Rose, Finn story was just not only boring but silly and went nowhere. They made Phasma even more worthless. And I think to the surprise of Abrahms and everyone else they made Smith look like the Iron Mike Sharpe of the Star Wars Galaxy and killed him off so they could do a couple of funny lines, and it forced them to bring back Palpatine, I was convinced that was not supposed to happen.

The Phantom Menance was a good but pretty much retelling of ANH with a Death Star that could shoot Death Stars out of its mouth. But they did a decent job of establishing new characters, and had a decent shock moment of it.

But TLJ was like dynamite on the rails and blew the trilogy train clear off of the track to the point, that The Rise of Skywalker was an even bigger mess with a bunch of fan service thrown into it. The sad thing was that the script and story for TROS was so bad that you could literally see the actors were just done with it, and trying to get to the end of filming. And the usually imaginative special effects and modelling teams were pretty much checked out for the most part which lead to the awkwardly stretched Star Destroyer effects.