2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. You could try and play that you're the smartest guy in the room but every buyer out there knows you're going through an ugly divorce, the bank has called your mortgage, and you just lost your job. You need to make a deal and everyone knows it. It's not like every GM in the league doesn't know the Flames situation and player agents are not out there doing everything they can to get their clients moved. Conroy is not hoodwinking anyone.

But do they? You have posters here who think that maybe the Flames will quit a retool/rebuild and sign these guys. Why would other GMs not have that notion?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

The flames aren't going to rebuild (as much as I want them to...)

Ryan pike said it today, the mantra is "do the best you can with the players you have". This is what it has always been and will probably continue to be.

They're selling the UFAs because they have to after being burned a couple seasons ago.

They will be fully trying to make playoffs again next season.

This team would rather end up 17th and just outside of playoffs then in the bottom 3. Ending up as a middle team rather then a bottom team is a more successful achievement for them.

They probably feel like atleast they're offering a somewhat competitive e product.

Getting a top pick is not of their radar at all.


I dont like it. I dont agree with it. But it's how they are.

I would hope watching the team struggle along until we inserted the young players would change the owners mindset.

It feels like we are trying to chase something that isn't going to happen.

The goal should be to get a good team ready to open the Rogers Dome. Not add a bunch of old players to the ones we have and watch them slog along.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Winning is fun, but it would be strange to sell off a bunch of guys on a winning team lol.

Last spring, Nashville was only 6 pts out of a playoff spot and only needed to leapfrog one team (the Flames, who they had a game in hand on) when they moved out Niedereitter, Jeannot, and Ekholm for picks and prospects. And the moves didn’t seem to hurt them - they finished 3 pts out of a playoff spot.

[DJones]

I don't mind that philosophy. The amount of scorched earth trades we would have to make to get into the bottom 3 would be ridiculous. Trade Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov if they don't sign. Completely fine with that.

Get some warm bodies on defense coming back on expiring deals. We'll miss the playoffs but I don't think we'll be bottom 5. This isn't 2012, I like a lot of players on our team.

Next year just use the huge amount of cap space in a way that's looking for the future. Target RFAs, maybe take on a bad contract or two. Can still try to be competitive next year but just no all in moves.

We won't have a 1C but we will have a ton of cap space to work with. Just need to have the young guys keep developing and the roster fills in itself.

Huberdeau - Backlund - Coleman
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier- Dube - Mangiapane
Ruzicka - Yegor - Dueher

I'd be happy to watch that line-up next year. Just need one or two of the young guys to hit second line level and it becomes dangerous. And we're going to have a ton of cap space to help the defense out.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by DJones

I don't mind that philosophy. The amount of scorched earth trades we would have to make to get into the bottom 3 would be ridiculous. Trade Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov if they don't sign. Completely fine with that.

Get some warm bodies on defense coming back on expiring deals. We'll miss the playoffs but I don't think we'll be bottom 5. This isn't 2012, I like a lot of players on our team.

Next year just use the huge amount of cap space in a way that's looking for the future. Target RFAs, maybe take on a bad contract or two. Can still try to be competitive next year but just no all in moves.

We won't have a 1C but we will have a ton of cap space to work with. Just need to have the young guys keep developing and the roster fills in itself.

Huberdeau - Backlund - Coleman
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier- Dube - Mangiapane
Ruzicka - Yegor - Dueher

I'd be happy to watch that line-up next year. Just need one or two of the young guys to hit second line level and it becomes dangerous. And we're going to have a ton of cap space to help the defense out.

Not to mention Coronato not being in your lineup!

[dino7c]

You also don't tell the media you're entire plan...even if you want to sell guys you don't want to look desperate

[DJones]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Not to mention Coronato not being in your lineup!

Ya but like I don't even know where to put him. I like all of the guys on that line-up.

I don't think I've ever been able to say that in my life as a Flames fan. I actually like our bottom 6 haha

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DJones

Huberdeau - Backlund - Coleman
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Pelletier- Dube - Mangiapane
Ruzicka - Yegor - Dueher

Coronato probably slots in there somewhere.

That lineup isn’t bad, but it’s pretty small and soft. I’d expect to see some size and grit brought in.

The rest of this season is about seeing what we have in Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Ruzicka, and Sherangovich. Which in turn will tell us if Dube and Mangiapane are in the long-term plans.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Coronato probably slots in there somewhere.

That lineup isn’t bad, but it’s pretty small and soft. I’d expect to see some size and grit brought in.

The rest of this season is about seeing what we have in Zary, Pospisil, Pelletier, Ruzicka, and Sherangovich. Which in turn will tell us if Dube and Mangiapane are in the long-term plans.

You'd probably move Mangiapane or Dube to fit Coronato eventiually.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DJones

I don't mind that philosophy. The amount of scorched earth trades we would have to make to get into the bottom 3 would be ridiculous. Trade Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, and Zadorov if they don't sign. Completely fine with that.

Get some warm bodies on defense coming back on expiring deals. We'll miss the playoffs but I don't think we'll be bottom 5. This isn't 2012, I like a lot of players on our team.

Disagree. That defense will be bottom 3 in the league and they don't have the firepower up front to offset it. I think they are easily a bottom 5 team if DeSimone is playing top 4 minutes

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Disagree. That defense will be bottom 3 in the league and they don't have the firepower up front to offset it. I think they are easily a bottom 5 team if DeSimone is playing top 4 minutes

I imagine some "cap dump" defensemen contracts will be coming back such as Klingberg types. I also wouldn't be surprised if in one of the Lindholm/Hanifin/Zadorov trades we get back a younger D man

[ComixZone]

On Friedman's thoughts from this morning...

Islanders - I'd be into futures. From their roster/prospects...not a lot jumps out to me. Can't imagine they'd move Barzal or Dobson, have zero interest in Wahlstrom. So...futures and a cap dump?

Stars - They aren't moving Johnson for anything we'd be trading guys. Christian Kyrou could be a move. Mavrik Bourque is a somewhat recent first. Stankoven looks like a clear target...not sure they'd move him.

Coyotes - I'll dream of Guenther...but the Coyotes are loaded with picks for the next few years. So...picks?

Toronto - I have zero interest in any of their prospects. From a fan perspective, it's impossible to get any read on the actual quality of their prospects. I don't want any of their players from any level. Just picks.

I don't think he mentioned the Devils, but they have some prospects I'd dream of (Holtz!). Also...if Columbus is looking at a major shake up, I'd love to see Denton Mateychuk become a Flame.

[Flamesfan05]

Be nice to get another Iginla from Dallas

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But do they? You have posters here who think that maybe the Flames will quit a retool/rebuild and sign these guys. Why would other GMs not have that notion?

I think they'll figure it out when Conroy talks about trading them.

If Conroy talks strongly about perhaps wanting to sign these guys, he'll be walking a bunch of UFA's right to free agency.

Conroy is in no position to bluff.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Disagree. That defense will be bottom 3 in the league and they don't have the firepower up front to offset it. I think they are easily a bottom 5 team if DeSimone is playing top 4 minutes

Well ya, if we got absolutely no one to replace them. But there's no reason for us to have like 20 million in cap space this year.

Tyler Myers, Brodie, Klingberg, ect type players would likely be coming back. It's almost inevitable, no teams wanting the defense have any cap space.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DJones

Well ya, if we got absolutely no one to replace them. But there's no reason for us to have like 20 million in cap space this year.

Tyler Myers, Brodie, Klingberg, ect type players would likely be coming back. It's almost inevitable, no teams wanting the defense have any cap space.

If you got a good asset and one of these for Zadorov you are laughing...team wouldn't be much worse either, if at all

Klingberg is a tire fire but he can help the PP...barely play the rest of the game

net win IMO

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think they'll figure it out when Conroy talks about trading them.

If Conroy talks strongly about perhaps wanting to sign these guys, he'll be walking a bunch of UFA's right to free agency.

Conroy is in no position to bluff.

It's not a bluff. It's "make a better offer".

Exactly how small of a price do you want to guarantee someone isn't "walked to free agency"? Take a 4th rounder for Lindholm?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

On Friedman's thoughts from this morning...

Islanders - I'd be into futures. From their roster/prospects...not a lot jumps out to me. Can't imagine they'd move Barzal or Dobson, have zero interest in Wahlstrom. So...futures and a cap dump?

Stars - They aren't moving Johnson for anything we'd be trading guys. Christian Kyrou could be a move. Mavrik Bourque is a somewhat recent first. Stankoven looks like a clear target...not sure they'd move him.

Coyotes - I'll dream of Guenther...but the Coyotes are loaded with picks for the next few years. So...picks?

Toronto - I have zero interest in any of their prospects. From a fan perspective, it's impossible to get any read on the actual quality of their prospects. I don't want any of their players from any level. Just picks.

I don't think he mentioned the Devils, but they have some prospects I'd dream of (Holtz!). Also...if Columbus is looking at a major shake up, I'd love to see Denton Mateychuk become a Flame.

Islanders: One thought I have is Pageau for Kadri. They were really into Kadri when he was a UFA, would they take another stab at him? Kadri is a way better point producer, this puts Barzal on the RW for good, and we get out of that contract our earlier than expected. As much as I love Kadri, I would rather we have a contrat that expires in 2 seasons after this one. Kadri and Zadorov (50%) for Romanov and Pageau?

Stars: Since Johnston isn't on the table, I'd ask for Harley, (Hanifin replacement), Bourque, or Stankoven. Mainly Stankoven.

Coyotes: Aim high and try for Guenther or Geekie. If not one of those, then a handful of those 2nd round picks would be nice. We have great scouts.

Toronto: I feel the same way. Unless it's Knies I don't want any prospects. Just give us picks and a player to flip in a three way trade or something. Don't really have appealing assets, so Treliving would need to offer a good bit to be a suitor. Tanev for Klingberg + 1st would be A okay with me.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If you got a good asset and one of these for Zadorov you are laughing...team wouldn't be much worse either, if at all

Klingberg is a tire fire but he can help the PP...barely play the rest of the game

net win IMO

Brodie probably shouldn't be on that list but taking Myers and Klingberg likely increases the price for Zadorov.

Just looked at moneypuck. Myers is getting killed on Vancouver. I could see us taking him.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by DJones

Brodie probably shouldn't be on that list but taking Myers and Klingberg likely increases the price for Zadorov.

Either one of Myers or Klingberg could also be flipped at 50% to another contending team for a 2nd/3rd. Have to think a team would bite on a 3m Myers or a 2.075m Klingberg.