2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. You could try and play that you're the smartest guy in the room but every buyer out there knows you're going through an ugly divorce, the bank has called your mortgage, and you just lost your job. You need to make a deal and everyone knows it. It's not like every GM in the league doesn't know the Flames situation and player agents are not out there doing everything they can to get their clients moved. Conroy is not hoodwinking anyone.

There are still multiple buyers, so with the amount of calls Conroy has likely received he is just likely fielding offers and waiting to bite on one that is actually going to offer something. In the offseason, everyone's hands were tied and didn't want to give up much for Toffoli. Well, now that we have the season played out so far, we can tell which teams have a better chance of making the playoffs and some (like us) who likely won't. I don't think Conroy has to be in a rush, as long as these guys are traded before the trade deadline.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

There are still multiple buyers, so with the amount of calls Conroy has likely received he is just likely fielding offers and waiting to bite on one that is actually going to offer something. In the offseason, everyone's hands were tied and didn't want to give up much for Toffoli. Well, now that we have the season played out so far, we can tell which teams have a better chance of making the playoffs and some (like us) who likely won't. I don't think Conroy has to be in a rush, as long as these guys are traded before the trade deadline.

There's the rub. We also have to understand that as more teams fall out of the mix more players will hit the market.

[CliffFletcher]

Teams in win now mode that are up against the cap are not going to deal away roster players making major contributions on entry-level contracts. Their value in a severely cap-constrained environment is too high.

So from Dallas we’d likely be looking at picks, or prospects like Bourque and Bichsel. The latter would be a good fit - a 6’5” LD who can skate and brings physicality would fill a big need in the Flames system.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am fine with Craig being patient and not forcing a trade.

I just hope that keeping them doesn't have us pushing for the playoffs and we sell off and and remain in that 9 or 10th spot and ruin our draft position.

[robertsfanatic]

or maybe the Flames want to see what they have with the rookies so they can figure out where the biggest holes are when making trades...maybe we try giving Conroy the benefit of the doubt?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Gross. Lindholm is looking checked out and Hanifin turned down a massive contract. Just ship them out.

Serious question. With this type of comment, is it more important to you that Conroy maximize the value from these assets, or just get rid of them as quickly as possible so that we declare our direction as a team?

Just seems like a lot of folks are having pretty much 0 patience for our GM to figure out the right moves and make sure he sets the team up for success. Sometimes the environment dictates a little bit of the "how" someone executes a strategy. Declaring we need to wait until after Xmas, isn't necessary all driven by the GM wanting to see more for himself. It also might be dictated by the quality of the offers. I'm sure Conroy has a desired return (and a lowest acceptable offer) for these assets. Why wouldn't he wait until he gets his price? The team started slow, the assets we are moving didn't exactly help their value in the first few weeks, and it made the team look desperate. If the team keeps playing a little better - we look less desperate and the assets look better, the offers will likely get better.

Just not sure why people get so upset that our GM hasn't pulled the trigger on deals in what would seemingly be the part of the season where he'd get the worse return.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

or maybe the Flames want to see what they have with the rookies so they can figure out where the biggest holes are when making trades...maybe we try giving Conroy the benefit of the doubt?

We have 2 stars in Pospisil and Zary.

Just need to see what we have with Wolf.

We need defenceman and centers back.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We have 2 stars in Pospisil and Zary.

Just need to see what we have with Wolf.

We need defenceman and centers back.

fair enough, i meant more like futures versus current young players for returns.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I am fine with Craig being patient and not forcing a trade.

I just hope that keeping them doesn't have us pushing for the playoffs and we sell off and and remain in that 9 or 10th spot and ruin our draft position.

They wont tank, look for trades including younger assets that can play now like the Sharingovich trade and continue a retool. If anything this should shut anyone up about a Markstrom trade, as this team is close to last place without him.

I could still see us signing one of Lindholm or Hanifin if we get into a wildcard spot before christmas.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by wired

If I was management for the Flames, I would not include any of the UFA's in anything like that. They have showed their desire to move on from the team, so let the guys who want to be there represent the team in every capacity.

What's your worry? Do you think the UFA's will take it out on the kids?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. You could try and play that you're the smartest guy in the room but every buyer out there knows you're going through an ugly divorce, the bank has called your mortgage, and you just lost your job. You need to make a deal and everyone knows it. It's not like every GM in the league doesn't know the Flames situation and player agents are not out there doing everything they can to get their clients moved. Conroy is not hoodwinking anyone.

It's not about hoodwinking anyone. The Flames situation, is one variable in the equation of value. If /when there becomes more than one suitor for any of the assets, the Flames situation becomes a much less impactful variable, in fact if there is enough demand for an asset, the fact that the Flames are "desperate" (is how I'll summarize your view on them) might actually become irrelevant.

Hopefully, and what Conroy should be attempting to do, is not "hoodwinking" it's reading the market, stirring up interest, so that the Flames situation becomes irrelevant, and teams are bidding against each other for the assets. Then Conroy becomes nothing more than the mortgage broker in your analogy, who will simply accept the best offer on behalf of his clients (the Flames).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by MrMike

They wont tank, look for trades including younger assets that can play now like the Sharingovich trade and continue a retool. If anything this should shut anyone up about a Markstrom trade, as this team is close to last place without him.

I could still see us signing one of Lindholm or Hanifin if we get into a wildcard spot before christmas.

Sure sounds like the Hanifin deal is out the window now regardless of our position.

That losing streak really helped the franchise in the long run.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Serious question. With this type of comment, is it more important to you that Conroy maximize the value from these assets, or just get rid of them as quickly as possible so that we declare our direction as a team?

Just not sure why people get so upset that our GM hasn't pulled the trigger on deals in what would seemingly be the part of the season where he'd get the worse return.

If the direction is still sell then I am fine with a little patience. If the direction is still somehow let's see what this team is and offering contracts to Lindholm and Hanifin are still potentially on the table then I stand by my statement of gross.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Capitals aren’t in Win Now mode, they’re in “get ovi the goals record” mode.

Presumably Lindholm would help with that.

Except that Lindholm is more of a shooter than a playmaker.
He has never been considered a setup man in his career.
That is not what Ovechkin needs.
Capitals if they are looking, will be looking for a playmaking center that can feed the puck.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by shutout

Except that Lindholm is more of a shooter than a playmaker.
He has never been considered a setup man in his career.
That is not what Ovechkin needs.
Capitals if they are looking, will be looking for a playmaking center that can feed the puck.

Kadri sounds perfect for them.

Kadri for a 6th round pick.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take. You could try and play that you're the smartest guy in the room but every buyer out there knows you're going through an ugly divorce, the bank has called your mortgage, and you just lost your job. You need to make a deal and everyone knows it. It's not like every GM in the league doesn't know the Flames situation and player agents are not out there doing everything they can to get their clients moved. Conroy is not hoodwinking anyone.

Luckily for Conroy there are 31 other individuals who need to work to make their teams as good as they can be. It is not like Conroy is dealing with a singular party that has all the leverage. Conroy is doing his best to ensure others know he has leverage in this situation. Will all other GM’s collude so Treliving can fleece Calgary when other teams are competing with the Leafs? Conroy is certainly being tested and it does not appear he is in a spot where his hand is being forced

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Spurs

A longer look at what?

Could be that there are more than the four pending UFA players on the team that they are trying to make decisions on. The UFA's are easy decisions, you have a bottom trade price and when a team goes above that you work on making a deal, until then you keep playing the games.

However the other 16 players on the roster that are not UFA need to be evaluated on their long term fit with the organization. If you don't do a knee jerk reaction by dumping the UFA's for pennies on the dollar in the trade market you keep a certain status quo in the lineup. That allows you too properly evaluate everyone else without having excuses that come up that with the changes in the roster players are needing to get used to new systems and new team mates.

Just because of the cap situation and the LTIR situations with so many teams it was never realistic to expect a great number of trades before January.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sure sounds like the Hanifin deal is out the window now regardless of our position.

That losing streak really helped the franchise in the long run.

If they really still sell all of our UFA's, the best possible thing right now would be to keep winning and raise all of their stock.

It's nice to be able to cheer for winning and still knowing change is on the way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by MrMike

If they really still sell all of our UFA's, the best possible thing right now would be to keep winning and raise all of their stock.

It's nice to be able to cheer for winning and still knowing change is on the way.

Winning is fun, but it would be strange to sell off a bunch of guys on a winning team lol.

[traptor]

The flames aren't going to rebuild (as much as I want them to...)

Ryan pike said it today, the mantra is "do the best you can with the players you have". This is what it has always been and will probably continue to be.

They're selling the UFAs because they have to after being burned a couple seasons ago.

They will be fully trying to make playoffs again next season.

This team would rather end up 17th and just outside of playoffs then in the bottom 3. Ending up as a middle team rather then a bottom team is a more successful achievement for them.

They probably feel like atleast they're offering a somewhat competitive e product.

Getting a top pick is not of their radar at all.


I dont like it. I dont agree with it. But it's how they are.