2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Vancouver down a Dman for a while.....

Which guy got hurt? How bad?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Which guy got hurt? How bad?

Soucy, 6-8 weeks.

Cue the Zadorov/Tanev music

[JTech780]

Seems to me there are a handful of teams in the East that sit outside a playoff spot, that see themselves as playoff teams if not contenders, that may be ideal teams to deal with for the pending UFA’s.

Tampa and NJ are both outside a playoff spot and I am pretty both teams figured that they would be squarely in the playoff picture. NJ has the assets and a bit of wiggle room to make something happen. Tampa is in a bit of a tougher situation.


Then you have teams like Montreal, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Ottawa, and the Islanders, time for them to pick a direction.

I just don’t see Toronto as a good fit as far as trade partners go, the cap is messy and they just don’t have a lot of assets to deal with. I think the Flames can get a better return elsewhere.

[GFG#1]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Seems to me there are a handful of teams in the East that sit outside a playoff spot, that see themselves as playoff teams if not contenders, that may be ideal teams to deal with for the pending UFA’s.

Tampa and NJ are both outside a playoff spot and I am pretty both teams figured that they would be squarely in the playoff picture. NJ has the assets and a bit of wiggle room to make something happen. Tampa is in a bit of a tougher situation.


Then you have teams like Montreal, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Ottawa, and the Islanders, time for them to pick a direction.

I just don’t see Toronto as a good fit as far as trade partners go, the cap is messy and they just don’t have a lot of assets to deal with. I think the Flames can get a better return elsewhere.

Sounds like Tage Thompson is going to be out for a while now as well. perhaps Lindholm would be a good place holder.

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1724862249481978296

[dammage79]

Podkolzin will do. Also Raty.

[Toonage]

lol "Zarodov"

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1724862249481978296

Don't really understand why the Flames don't want to trade in the division. Who cares. The Canucks aren't winning the Cup, and you aren't competing for it.

I also don't understand the aversion to draft picks. This team has done decently well with them. Let's get more.

[dino7c]

Its amazing how multiple of 7 Canadian teams in a 32 team league are in on every trade

almost like these rumors are bait

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Don't really understand why the Flames don't want to trade in the division. Who cares. The Canucks aren't winning the Cup, and you aren't competing for it.

I also don't understand the aversion to draft picks. This team has done decently well with them. Let's get more.

Draft picks can make you wait a few seasons to find out if they are even ahl capable let alone nhl calibre. If you can fast forward some of that waiting/unknown then why not

[dino7c]

assuming you are getting quality prospects yes

everyone loves late firsts and 2nds...most of them don't work out

now a combination is the best way to go

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Draft picks can make you wait a few seasons to find out if they are even ahl capable let alone nhl calibre. If you can fast forward some of that waiting/unknown then why not

Why not is because our pro scouts suck, the chances that they can find a diamond in the rough are close to zero.

Our amateur scouts are fantastic and have a proven track record of success. Better to go with the scouts that are great versus the scouts that suck.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Draft picks can make you wait a few seasons to find out if they are even ahl capable let alone nhl calibre. If you can fast forward some of that waiting/unknown then why not

There's no point in fast forwarding or rushing this. The Flames still lack elite talent. Why trade for a 24 year old if you are trying to draft your franchise player at 17 years in the upcoming draft.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Draft picks can make you wait a few seasons to find out if they are even ahl capable let alone nhl calibre. If you can fast forward some of that waiting/unknown then why not

Use the picks to go target young players from the 30 other teams then, rather than having to only choose from the crap the Canucks and Leafs have.

[Harry Lime]

I would do tanev for raty. Big 2way center that has taken two years to get acclimatized to every change in league he's made, and then become solid. Get him now and sit back on the Backlund replacement.

[Toonage]

I like how Dhaliwal suggests Nils Hoglander and then goes on to tell us how the guy hasn't performed (defensively) and wound up in the dog house of 3 different coaches. Good sell.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There's no point in fast forwarding or rushing this. The Flames still lack elite talent. Why trade for a 24 year old if you are trying to draft your franchise player at 17 years in the upcoming draft.

Unless you’re trading for a college prospect they’ll likely be 20-21 nothing wrong with that. If you can buy any certainty a player is nhl quality you do it. You can go into this rebuild with 4 1st and walk away with nothing but depth players

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

When Jack Han wrote this article it really opened my eyes to Huberdeau. (https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/whats...with-huberdeau) the guy plays a style that won’t win anything but maybe scoring titles but is not conducive for playoff or western conference hockey.

I agree he is not as bad as we have seen in Calgary but altering the style to fit him will not result in any meaningful wins

I think he makes some valid points.

The thing that drives me nuts though, is the argument that Huberdeau just plays a certain way, and that way doesn't fit with the way the Flames play (or most teams for that matter), and that is just the way it is. Talented players can adjust to different systems because there are just some things that are fundamental about the game. Some people talk about Huberdeau as if he is playing a completely different game or something. There is a reason why the drop in production he had was unprecedented. It's because it's almost unheard of for a player to just not have the fundamentals to make adjustments. Sure, production might change, but rarely ever do talented players just fall off a cliff.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by JJolg

Unless you’re trading for a college prospect they’ll likely be 20-21 nothing wrong with that. If you can buy any certainty a player is nhl quality you do it. You can go into this rebuild with 4 1st and walk away with nothing but depth players

You aren't going to get a 20-21 year old NHL regular for Zadorov or Tanev. You'll be getting, at best, reclamation projects or a 24 or 25 year old NHL regular that doesn't have much more upside.

I'm not saying to trade exclusively for draft picks, but the Flames lack elite talent more than any organization in the league (besides San Jose). We need home run swings, not replacement level players.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Podkolzin will do. Also Raty.

Oh. No thank you. Well, maybe Raty.

Originally Posted by Toonage

lol "Zarodov"

Rick Dhaliwal is at Don Cherry's level of not pronouncing names.

Originally Posted by Toonage

I like how Dhaliwal suggests Nils Hoglander and then goes on to tell us how the guy hasn't performed (defensively) and wound up in the dog house of 3 different coaches. Good sell.

Kid is 22 years old and is showing he's TRYING defensively. He just needs time to learn. It's also not entirely accurate. He ended up in Boudreau's dog house, but I think that was more Boudreau REALLY liked Podkolzin who had similar issues in learning defense.

Hoglander has amazing advanced stats as a forechecker and if you believe in those stats, has bad luck when he comes to scoring. By the eye-test he is probably one of our best forwards from the defensive blueline on. His issue is he struggles on the wall in the defensive end near the blueline. He can learn and improve this. The fact he struggles here, but performers so well in these areas offensively tells me he can get over this.

I would not want to move Hoglander for someone like Tanev or Zadorov