2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It just comes down to value. The flames needed to pay a 5th to get the Habs to take Pitlick back in the Toffoli trade. If the Flames take Klingberg back the Leafs need another asset.

Yes, that's what I was getting at. The only reason to take Klinberg is to allow the Leafs cap room to do the deal. So he's a nil value at best and the actual return would be picks or prospects or young players.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1724827180297773145

Anytime everyone would do it without hesitation, you know it isn't a fair trade. A fair trade should have both sides uncomfortable.

For Tanev and Zadorov, retained, I would want Klingberg (for cap), Liljegren (need a D included), Minton (primary piece) and a 1st

We're giving up 2 trade pieces at once, so it needs to be enough return to do so. Toronto gets 2 solid defensemen for cheap, which is exactly what they need. Calgary gets a solid prospect, a D prospect, a 1st, and maybe a 3rd at the deadline for Klingberg (give him lots of ice time and PP duties)

[Enoch Root]

Here's another way to look at it...

If you're Toronto, you can convert Klingberg (an unmitigated disaster there, who has been a healthy scratch), into Tanev and Zadorov - for the same cap hit! - instantly upgrading your D core from Oiler-level to above average at worst, and arguably among the deeper units in the league.

Your cost: Liljegren and Minton (who aren't helping you now, in your window) and a late 1st.

If you're Toronto, would you do that? I would.

[Royle9]

Of course Toronto does that.
You just wonder if the Flames could get more?

Flames likely value picks more than a Liligren, Minten would be a solid add though.
But if we’re eating 50% on both contracts and taking the Klingberg dump then Toronto is giving up their first too.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, that's what I was getting at. The only reason to take Klinberg is to allow the Leafs cap room to do the deal. So he's a nil value at best and the actual return would be picks or prospects or young players.

The trade proposed has the flames taking a salary back and retaining with seemingly no sweetners from the Leafs. On its own Liljegren + Minton for Tanev+Zadorov is meh but add the retention and eating a cap hit then it is an easy no. I take Brodie back over Klingberg and also ask for a 3rd and no retention. If they want the flames to retain on one add more picks otherwise find a third team to broker the deal

[Toonage]

Was that clip serious? Edited? What idiots.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Here's another way to look at it...

If you're Toronto, you can convert Klingberg (an unmitigated disaster there, who has been a healthy scratch), into Tanev and Zadorov - for the same cap hit! - instantly upgrading your D core from Oiler-level to above average at worst, and arguably among the deeper units in the league.

Your cost: Liljegren and Minton (who aren't helping you now, in your window) and a late 1st.

If you're Toronto, would you do that? I would.

Liljegren is about to turn 25 and cannot crack one of the worst defensive cores in the league. In my mind he has almost no value. Klingberg almost certainly has no value and since we are retaining on two contracts to get this return from the Leafs it is doubtful that we can retain on him so that is probably sunk cost. If it would cost the Leafs a 2nd round pick just to get rid of him to a team with cap space like the Hawks to facilitate another trade, that is the value the Flames should expect to get back for Klingberg. Call that value Minten in this trade scenario.

I guess the question is whether or not Zadorov and Tanev after retaining their salaries are only worth a late first and whatever nominal value Liljegren (who is 19 months younger than Hanifin) hold. I would suggest that is not nearly enough. I mean when is Liljegren just a complete bust? When he is 27? 28?

[Vinny01]

One thing Leafs fans are about to learn is about how Treliving is in on EVERYTHING. I saw tweets where they are saying there is too much smoke and the deal is done just waiting to get back from Sweden. Leaf fans have yet to learn that far more often than not you will be a bridesmaid with Brad. The team will be in on deals you didn’t expect and the insiders will report it but very few actually happen.

[Ashasx]

I think Liljegren is injured otherwise he would be playing.

I like Liljegren as a player but have no interest in him at his age.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One thing Leafs fans are about to learn is about how Treliving is in on EVERYTHING. I saw tweets where they are saying there is too much smoke and the deal is done just waiting to get back from Sweden. Leaf fans have yet to learn that far more often than not you will be a bridesmaid with Brad. The team will be in on deals you didn’t expect and the insiders will report it but very few actually happen.

Yeah the wizard is a leaker

[Aarongavey]

I have said before but the Flames need to approach any trade where Klingberg miraculously waives to come to Calgary to play his final 50 games in the league as two separate deals.

Deal one - acquiring Klingberg. How much do the Leafs need to add for you to acquire Klingberg with no retention. I say Minten but perhaps it is Llijgren or a 3rd round pick

Deal two - how much do the Leafs give up for Zadorov alone or Z and Tanev together with retention on one of the contracts. Together it definitely starts with the first and then you add. Do you add Robertson? Is that enough for both guys at a combined say 6 million bucks with the Flames retaining half of Tanev? Maybe, maybe they need to add a 3rd.

Trade ends up being Klingberg, Minten, Robertson, 1st and maybe a third for Tanev at 50% and Z.

If one thinks that 50% retained Tanev is worth two second round picks and Z is worth a 2nd and a 3rd (on teams that have those picks) well nobody would ever have to trade three 2nd rounders and a 3rd at the draft to move up to 24th overall so a 1st alone does not get that trade done IMO.

[Redrum]

"Klingberg" "You'd get to keep all your picks ideally" "between 45-50% retained" "for *insert complete **** package*"

Is this the HF-Toronto podcast?

[Wastedyouth]

You can't "fix" Huberdeau by acquiring a player.

You need a legit star to carry the line and Huberdeau can be dragged along .

He's washed.

There is no fixing him now. He is our Jonathan Cheecho without Joe Thornton.

It's wild. But true.

[FlamesAreOne]

Vancouver down a Dman for a while.....

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You can't "fix" Huberdeau by acquiring a player.

You need a legit star to carry the line and Huberdeau can be dragged along .

He's washed.

There is no fixing him now. He is our Jonathan Cheecho without Joe Thornton.

It's wild. But true.

I don't agree with all of this.

I think the biggest issue with Huberdeau is...well, the Calgary Flames. It's the system, and it's the teammates.

This team is under-talented, and they play a system to try and compensate that by limiting the impact of individual skill. The breakout strategy is the perfect example of this. It's slow, and does not allow the Flames to attack the opposing blue line with any puck speed - which is where Huberdeau shines.

I'm not excusing Huberdeau's performance, but when he gets to play in a better system than the trash the Flames put out on the ice, he'll produce more. This is just a terrible mix.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You can't "fix" Huberdeau by acquiring a player.

You need a legit star to carry the line and Huberdeau can be dragged along .

He's washed.

There is no fixing him now. He is our Jonathan Cheecho without Joe Thornton.

It's wild. But true.

Cheecho didn't have 4 straight seasons over PPG

Huberdeau was also never carried by another player

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You can't "fix" Huberdeau by acquiring a player.

You need a legit star to carry the line and Huberdeau can be dragged along .

He's washed.

There is no fixing him now. He is our Jonathan Cheecho without Joe Thornton.

It's wild. But true.

Sam Bennett and Anthony Duclair. Legit stars?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

You can't "fix" Huberdeau by acquiring a player.

You need a legit star to carry the line and Huberdeau can be dragged along .

He's washed.

There is no fixing him now. He is our Jonathan Cheecho without Joe Thornton.

It's wild. But true.

And the worst player-to-player comparison of the year goes to...

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't agree with all of this.

I think the biggest issue with Huberdeau is...well, the Calgary Flames. It's the system, and it's the teammates.

This team is under-talented, and they play a system to try and compensate that by limiting the impact of individual skill. The breakout strategy is the perfect example of this. It's slow, and does not allow the Flames to attack the opposing blue line with any puck speed - which is where Huberdeau shines.

I'm not excusing Huberdeau's performance, but when he gets to play in a better system than the trash the Flames put out on the ice, he'll produce more. This is just a terrible mix.

When Jack Han wrote this article it really opened my eyes to Huberdeau. (https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/whats...with-huberdeau) the guy plays a style that won’t win anything but maybe scoring titles but is not conducive for playoff or western conference hockey.

I agree he is not as bad as we have seen in Calgary but altering the style to fit him will not result in any meaningful wins

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sam Bennett and Anthony Duclair. Legit stars?

No but that’s misinformation

They also have bunch of other good players he can play with in the PP and other situations….Barkov, Reinhart, Verhaghe…etc

I bet Duclair would not work here, it’s not that simple