This would probably ring a little less hollow if you didn’t post it directly after a pro-Israel poster called for targeted acts of violence against Palestinian and Lebanese civilians while referring to the entire population of Gaza as “rotten to the bone”
You just can’t help yourself. Always the last word.
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Not a bloodlust really. I want less blood long term. The only way forward is to make people understand, that housing a terrorist organization in your country, let alone elect them in your government, will bring serious consequences to you, not only to them. I would have taken different stance if I saw Gazan civilians being terrified, rather than elated, at dead Israelis paraded on the streets. However, this is an eye opener for those, who believe that civilians are one thing and Hamas is another thing altogether. They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate. Who is cooking food for Hamas fighters? Who is treating their wounds? Who is teaching their kids to hate Jews? The so called civilians. The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.
No. Not a bloodlust at all.
You just want the whole population exterminated.
Let the hate flow.
Ok, now to solution. Two state solution will not work. That being said, ethnostates are not sustainable long term. And on top of this, there's no God. Due to this, Israel as Jewish religious ethnostate is not a solution either. The only way forward is one, not two, state, that is secular and multinational. Israelis and Palestinians can live peacefully in one state, as we see in Israel. I write this on the bus, and Arabian woman is sitting across an aisle from me. Now, we also see that Palestinians and Jews can NOT live together in peace in two different states. So, one state solution, that is secural multinational democratic Israel is the way forward.
Polling from a couple of years ago indicated that likely less than 40% of Palestinians want a two-state solution. I don't think a two-state solution is possible for that reason alone, nor would it bring peace. Even if you forced them to take it, it wouldn't change their minds on Israel existing there as well.
This is a BS post that amounts to internet bullying plain and simple.
You need to stop with the dramatics. Second time you've defended this crap.
Read his post.
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The so called civilians. The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.
I don’t. But I know those members of the population cheering are no different than you, based on the views you’ve expressed.
You’ll make excuses for why it’s not OK for them to cheer while you go online to fantasize about killing Lebanese women and babies, you’ll bend over backwards to say it isn’t what you want but it’s what is “required,” or whatever, but at the end of the day you’re no different than them.
But whatever you call yourself, and whatever you should actually be called, I’m not going to ascribe it to the entire Israeli population.
So, since you didn't provide a better description - or any description for that matter - mine "rotten to bones" stands. And I never said anything about killing Lebanese women.
You need to stop with the dramatics. Second time you've defended this crap.
Read his post.
I'm still waiting for a better description of population that is cheering for killing of hundreds of civilians and naked raped girls paraded in their streets
I call it rotten to bones. I stand by that.
No. Not a bloodlust at all.
You just want the whole population exterminated.
Let the hate flow.
I think they are broken beyond fix. If you disagree - go over there and fix them. You will get a statue of you in every corner of Israel, if you succeed. This should not be read if I want the whole population to be exterminated. I just hope that seeing some Gazans dying will make Lebanese civilians think twice before supporting Hezbollah. Thus making the world safer.
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Ok, now to solution. Two state solution will not work. That being said, ethnostates are not sustainable long term. And on top of this, there's no God. Due to this, Israel as Jewish religious ethnostate is not a solution either. The only way forward is one, not two, state, that is secular and multinational. Israelis and Palestinians can live peacefully in one state, as we see in Israel. I write this on the bus, and Arabian woman is sitting across an aisle from me. Now, we also see that Palestinians and Jews can NOT live together in peace in two different states. So, one state solution, that is secural multinational democratic Israel is the way forward.
This is the only solution I see as one that could possibly lead to a lasting peace.
Fortunately, it still seems Netanyahu's time is almost up. Hopefully this can translate into less dogmatic and more rational action from the Israeli government.
I see the Israeli action against Hamas in Gaza as an absolutely necessary first step to rebuilding Gaza under Israeli control. Once the young population sees how democratic governance can breed prosperity and be a poison pill to corruption, and how money flows towards the construction of civilian infrastructure instead of underground tunnels and weapons... Perhaps then can some sort of harmonious coexistence be built for the next generation.
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Not a bloodlust really. I want less blood long term. The only way forward is to make people understand, that housing a terrorist organization in your country, let alone elect them in your government, will bring serious consequences to you, not only to them. I would have taken different stance if I saw Gazan civilians being terrified, rather than elated, at dead Israelis paraded on the streets. However, this is an eye opener for those, who believe that civilians are one thing and Hamas is another thing altogether. They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate. Who is cooking food for Hamas fighters? Who is treating their wounds? Who is teaching their kids to hate Jews? The so called civilians. The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.
Man, you gotta step back a bit. This is some ugly thinking that only leads to dehumanization and justifying murder. It's exactly this single mindedness that gives Hamas it's motivation against Israel. One in the same. Don't be like Hamas.
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I think they are broken beyond fix. If you disagree - go over there and fix them. You will get a statue of you in every corner of Israel, if you succeed. This should not be read if I want the whole population to be exterminated. I just hope that seeing some Gazans dying will make Lebanese civilians think twice before supporting Hezbollah. Thus making the world safer.
This absolutely does not work. You are thinking like a mobster. All that will do is create more rage and death.
Israel don't have to just defeat Hamas. They also need to send a message to Hezbollah. And Israel does it by sending a message to Lebanon civilians. The message to Lebanon mother is that if your son goes to Hezbollah, you, not just your son, will be killed. The message to Lebanon wife is that if your husband joins Hezbollah, you and your little baby - not just your husband - will be killed. The message to Lebanon man is that if you join Hezbollah, your elderly parents - not just you - will be killed. And sending this message is the best way to keep the world safe from scum like Hezbollah and Hamas.
Sounds like genocidal talk to me.
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Makes me wonder what the world would do to Russia, if all Russians would be cheering for Ukrainian invasion and parading raped dead Ukrainian girls on Red Square. My guess is that the world would strive to eliminate Russia - not just Putin - for good.
This is an interesting question. I thought Russia did some pretty despicable things after they invaded Ukraine. The abduction of children. Intentional targeting of civilians. Butchering civilians as they retreated. Targeting hospitals. Targeting critical infrastructure that impacted only civilian areas. Torturing civilians and using them as human shields. And then the big one, forced conscription and shooting of their own soldiers who refused to push forward. This caused a mass panic and saw many able-bodied Russian men flee the country out of fear for their lives. Tell me if this last part rings any bells?
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Not a bloodlust really. I want less blood long term. The only way forward is to make people understand, that housing a terrorist organization in your country, let alone elect them in your government, will bring serious consequences to you, not only to them. I would have taken different stance if I saw Gazan civilians being terrified, rather than elated, at dead Israelis paraded on the streets. However, this is an eye opener for those, who believe that civilians are one thing and Hamas is another thing altogether. They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate. Who is cooking food for Hamas fighters? Who is treating their wounds? Who is teaching their kids to hate Jews? The so called civilians. The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.
I guess we could say the same about Russians based on their behaviors in supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that followed? Anyone who was born in Russia and has Russian bloodlines is rotten to the bone. Anyone who served in the engagement with Ukraine should not only be culled from existence for what is happening in there, but their mothers should be killed, that their wives and babies should be killed, and their elderly parents should be killed, because they supported their country. Would you say that would be fair?
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Where did I approve genocide of native Americans? If anything, I am one of very few people on this board, who is not living on the land stolen from native Americans.
No, you're just living in lands that were originally taken from Palestinians.
This is some pretty ####ed up rhetoric considering circumstances. I'm at a loss how you've come to this point.
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Not really. Genocide means killing Palestinians just because they are Palestinians. This is not what I suggested at all. You know why they were openly cheering on the streets? Key word here is "openly". Because the idea that they will be bombed in response never crossed their minds. They thought they were invincible. They thought they are untouchable. And so they were doing all the infrastructure job for their government, which is also terrorists group. The reason why Oct 7th happened at the first place is because civilians felt invincible. If they knew, that Israel would bomb the hell out of Gaza in response, they would have stopped Hamas themselves.
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This is an interesting question. I thought Russia did some pretty despicable things after they invaded Ukraine. The abduction of children. Intentional targeting of civilians. Butchering civilians as they retreated. Targeting hospitals. Targeting critical infrastructure that impacted only civilian areas. Torturing civilians and using them as human shields. And then the big one, forced conscription and shooting of their own soldiers who refused to push forward. This caused a mass panic and saw many able-bodied Russian men flee the country out of fear for their lives. Tell me if this last part rings any bells?
I guess we could say the same about Russians based on their behaviors in supporting the invasion of Ukraine and the war crimes that followed? Anyone who was born in Russia and has Russian bloodlines is rotten to the bone. Anyone who served in the engagement with Ukraine should not only be culled from existence for what is happening in there, but their mothers should be killed, that their wives and babies should be killed, and their elderly parents should be killed, because they supported their country. Would you say that would be fair?
Absolutely. In fact, since Ukrainian war broke my life pretty hard (you don't normally immigrate in the middle of your life from a very high pay job), I thought about how we let it happen quite a lot. And long before Hamas attacks I realized that the reason why russians, as whole, let it happen, is because of the same invincibility. They thought, the war will never touch them. Now Russians were not even remotely close to cheering or parading naked Ukrainians on the streets, and in fact they protested the war from the day one. So intentionally killing them is an overkill, but if Ukraine will just bomb Moscow, without caring too much about killing civilians, one may very well argue that this will stop the next Putin from coming to power. If every Russian realized, that if they let a dictator run the state, he and his family - not just military and government - will be killed, it will prevent the next Putin.
They are nonetheless very much responsible. It's not like Putin hypnotized everyone. Civilians were still doing all the infrastructure job required for the Russian war machine to function and are fully responsible for that. Me wanting no part of that was the reason why I left at the first place, but I still do bear some responsibility as well.
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No, you're just living in lands that were originally taken from Palestinians.
This is some pretty ####ed up rhetoric considering circumstances. I'm at a loss how you've come to this point.
For the record, all land in pre-1948 borders, including Haifa, was bought, not stolen. I do not live on stolen land.
I will not respond to your last paragraph, as you clearly just tried to make me reply, which I will do anyway.
Pointman has shown us who he is several times now, this isn't surprising
I put my money where my mouth is both with Ukrainian war (I left Russia) and Hamas war (I stay in Israel and contribute to the country). Those of you, who support Palestine, don't seem to be in the rush to help their cause.
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This absolutely does not work. You are thinking like a mobster. All that will do is create more rage and death.
A terrorist. He’s thinking like a terrorist.
And, of course, when faced with actual terrorist rhetoric and calls for targeted violence against civilians, it’ll be interesting to see how many of those who feigned outrage that anyone could support such a thing step in and call it out.
I’m guessing not many, since one of them already decided it was better for to accuse someone who wasn’t afraid to call it out a “bully.”
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It’s no different from a lot of comments in the Russian invasion of Ukraine thread. Posters high-fiving over the graphic videos of people cooked up in tanks or blown to pieces by drones, Russians are all animals, etc. For some posters this is as clear-cut a good guys vs bad guys war as that one.
It’s not a healthy or helpful way to treat something as awful as war. But maybe more understandable in people who live in the region or otherwise have a personal investment in the conflict.
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