less glaringly bad plays like tonight though...the panel just showed it and chuckled at the Zadorov giveaway. On national television, hopefully the Canucks and Leafs are in bed
I think teams know what they would be getting in Zadorov. A player that can be explosive at opportunistic times, but will also make occasional mistakes. The game tonight likely doesn't effect his value or any interest teams had in him before the game.
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sitting him doesn't hurt either...and it teaches players and their agents not to #### around
who knows he could get injured. I know he wouldn't be playing if I was the GM or Coach, it's not like the Flames won't survive without him. What's the worst that's gonna happen? a loss? OMG!
Remember Frolik's agent? guy was out of the league in no time after crying about him not playing enough
I would tell him to go home and wait for a call, get another young guy in here that would love to suit up for the Flames. He can sit until the deal is right...or whenever. Guy is worth a pick, no need to spend all your time on it.
He would go to Toronto or Carolina? good for him...how about Philly, oh wait you have no say how about the Sharks
Not covering all three of those Senators definitely hurt his trade value.
Nobody could expect a soft guy like Big Z to win that broad battle. I blame the players who could not foresee Big Z just giving the puck away behind the net.
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sitting him doesn't hurt either...and it teaches players and their agents not to #### around
who knows he could get injured. I know he wouldn't be playing if I was the GM or Coach, it's not like the Flames won't survive without him. What's the worst that's gonna happen? a loss? OMG!
Remember Frolik's agent? guy was out of the league in no time after crying about him not playing enough
I would tell him to go home and wait for a call, get another young guy in here that would love to suit up for the Flames. He can sit until the deal is right...or whenever. Guy is worth a pick, no need to spend all your time on it.
What are you teaching him or his agent by sitting him and giving him his trade?
I'd play the crap out of him as long as he is practicing and playing hard. Show other teams how the guy can handle big minutes.
What are you teaching him or his agent by sitting him and giving him his trade?
I'd play the crap out of him as long as he is practicing and playing hard. Show other teams how the guy can handle big minutes.
lol I think this is where we disagree...he looks okay with the easy matchups, sometimes
he hasn't played well this season
I am making him sit until the deal is right for the team...not him
if it takes two months it takes two months
This was a major distraction for the team today and it was calculated for this back to back in Ontario. Should have been talking about Wolf not the 5th dman.
He doesn't deserve more ice than the top 4, especially after tonight
I don't like how the team has bent over backwards for players that want out in the past
1) IIRC, every single one of the players that are 'unsure' about re-signing in Calgary were more than happy to re-sign if the price is right. Toffoli included. Everybody wants to play for Calgary for the next 8 years, in fact. When Calgary said no to Toffoli, Toffoli asked for a trade request. This is why he was moved. There also happened to be a buyer. There has barely been any player movement this off-season and into the season thus far. I don't expect much to change for the next couple of months.
2) Who exactly is part of the core in Calgary? Does Calgary even really have core any longer? Weegar and Andersson might be it. Backlund will be gone in a year and a half, so I can't count him as a core member any longer, even though he is a captain. Hanifin is likely gone. Zadorov was never a core member. Huberdeau and Kadri? I guess that's open to interpretation - does a long term deal automatically turn you into a core player? One of the problems with the Flames isn't that they don't draft well. it is because their best drafted players weren't retained, and instead we have a team full of mercenaries that talk about not wanting to re-sign here because they want to see what happens, as winning is #1 on their mind.. but if they get term and top dollar, they will happily stay a Flame?
3) It is great that the kids are being exposed to this. If I am looking up at these guys as a Zary or Pospisil, I am going to probably think that these are exactly the types of players and personalities that you don't win with. I have no fear that this lousy crap is going to be rubbed off on them. Draft a core. Find supplemental players through the UFA bargain-bin. When you are a good team bordering on great, then players will sign here for not outrageous term and dollar. Winning makes everywhere bearable and fun, plus the Flames will have a new building too which supposedly helps, or so I am told.
I am surprised that there hasn't been MORE controversy coming out, to be honest. That's what often happens when a team implodes. It is looking more and more like Sutter was keeping this team together with scotch tape, but his demeanour made it impossible to continue working with him. Out he goes, out goes some of the leadership on the team (Lucic and Toffoli), after a previous year of leadership leaving (Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Gudbranson, who apparently was huge in the room)...
This is just turmoil. I actually expect things to get worse. I am surprised that nobody is saying that the room sucks. Everyone is guessing at it, and I don't know what to think, to be honest, but I am betting it doesn't suck too bad if players are willing to stay here for big contracts with term.
I don't care who else comes out. We all know the direction this team is headed in, and that's fine. For me, it is all sunshine and rainbows for at least the first half. I don't think that the Flames are going to re-sign any of these UFAs, which I think is great. Losses are great, since it helps to set the direction that this team has to take, and to get a better shot at a franchise-level player in the draft. Wins are great since winning is still fun, and I personally rationalize it as the vets building up their trade value.
This a team of mercenaries. I think part of this was Treliving being a 'tough negotiator' with the RFAs, but then turning around and throwing that savings at expensive and ineffective UFAs. Now the Flames are essentially a team of mercenaries, so these trade requests should surprise nobody.
Conroy will get this right. He will trade players when value is presented. There is no need to rush - are we afraid this may lead the Flames to drop in the standings? The only deadline that matters is the trade deadline. Calgary doesn't have to worry about who is in front by how many points, and how many games are left. They deadline - that's it. That's when you see your biggest returns on vets. Let's not get so excited. Sure, players can get injured and then trades don't happen. Sure. However, I would rather do some gambling that as a group, more value will be extracted at or just before the deadline, than if the Flames trade everyone for whatever they can get this weekend.
Think of this as a soap opera. Let's see what plot twists happen, who else suddenly becomes a villain, who has a terrible accident that requires full facial reconstruction but can't even remember who they are and nobody does either (ok... strike that last one).
Point is, just enjoy what happens. Don't get so wound-up. Big changes are going to happen, and this is exciting. Enjoy what you have for the moment and try to guess who the first to move will be, where he will end up, who comes back, how they fit in. How many times will the Flames draft in the first round this year? 2025? There is lots to talk about, to research, even to dream about, and it isn't going to happen tonight, so take a step back and just breathe and enjoy the saga.
Sports is the most fun for die-hard fans because it is such a saga. You can't enjoy the winning as much if you don't have to live through the losing. That's life in general, no? Just enjoy it. This is an exciting time for this franchise - or at least, it sucks so much but we all know that there will be much better times ahead. Bandwagon fans, or casual fans, or whatever you want to call them - they don't get as emotional during wins and losses. They don't hate the losses as much, but they certainly don't love the winning as much either.
Personally, I am enjoying this because I really do believe that the right person is in charge and will guide this team through this turbulent time the right way. This is not a shot at Treliving (well, not intended to be anyway), but I would be a lot less calm if he were the one guiding this team. Conroy will get this team back on track through the draft. Enough with the mercenaries.
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lol I think this is where we disagree...he looks okay with the easy matchups, sometimes
he hasn't played well this season
I am making him sit until the deal is right for the team...not him
if it takes two months it takes two months
This was a major distraction for the team today and it was calculated for this back to back in Ontario. Should have been talking about Wolf not the 5th dman
Oh I didn't say he played well. But he can handle minutes for sure, maybe not well. But as I said before, this is as motivated as he will ever be.
I'm not sitting him. That does nothing for his trade value and IMO makes it worse as time goes on.
Friedman: Flames have let it be known that they’ll do this on their own schedule/terms.
I just want this #%^* to be over with. Flames have been a joke ever since 1/3 of their roster let it be known they didn’t want to return during exit interviews.
This stretch of time absolutely sucks for the fans. Get these people the hell off the team. It’s no wonder the locker room is a tire fire. There’s no “team” here. The fact that the Flames thought they could match this bull#%^* back out on the ice this season is disrespectful to the fan base.
End this farce of a “team”, and start building something new.
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You posted in the PGT about how this is all good, part of the plan, etc. And now you are raving about how bad the locker room is and you need this to end, NOW!
I respect your opinions; you are a good poster here.
Buy the ticket, take the ride. Let it play out before you judge it.
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Segments of this fan base are so traumatized by summer 2022 that anyone who professes even a modicum of affection for Calgary is now canonized. Get a grip. Nikita Zadorov is vapourware.
Be patient, take advantage of a desperate GM if you can, but send him packing and then go have lunch. In 3 years, if not 3 months, the only thing we'll remember about Big Z is his dumb trade request.
This is pretty funny...and, I suspect, strangely accurate.
Segments of this fan base are so traumatized by summer 2022 that anyone who professes even a modicum of affection for Calgary is now canonized. Get a grip. Nikita Zadorov is vapourware.
Be patient, take advantage of a desperate GM if you can, but send him packing and then go have lunch. In 3 years, if not 3 months, the only thing we'll remember about Big Z is his dumb trade request.
Truer words have not been spoken on here in a while.
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I think a 2nd for sure, or a decent prospect with 2nd round value. The Flames acquired him for a 3rd and he is a better player now, and still only 28. Not to mention, his cap hit is pretty friendly and he has no trade protection which should increase the number of teams in the mix.
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I think a 2nd for sure, or a decent prospect with 2nd round value. The Flames acquired him for a 3rd and he is a better player now, and still only 28. Not to mention, his cap hit is pretty friendly and he has no trade protection which should increase the number of teams in the mix.
He was an RFA when the Flames picked him up though right?
UFA limits the market, only "contending" teams want him
Here is the whole clip of Zadorov talking about it.
Regarding the agent Tweet, he acknowledges that if it was the agent of one of his teammates, he would be pissed the see that, but hopes they understand.
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Would $5m/5yrs be the worst thing for this team? We are going to be crap for 6-7 years so why not keep Z here? At least he is entertaining. We aren't getting a first for him so I would rather keep him and focus on moving Haniin and Lindholm that should provide premium returns.
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C4L is right. I remember trading off guys like Bouwmeester and Iginla despite the underwhelming returns was so exciting just because I felt a new era was coming. One where exciting young players would come in and bring in skill and motivation. I knew the team wouldn't win right away but they would try every night and bring excitement. Turns out they started winning sooner than later because Johnny was ready for the jump at the same time as Monahan was drafted + the UFA signing of Hudler.
This thing can turn around quicker than you may think if Conroy plays his cards right
The things he says about trusting and supporting his agent make sense in a way.
But the timing of it, and going public - right after a team that struggled but has put together two wins and a shootout loss - no way that doesn’t make the room awkward
He talks about being a “good teammate” and his agent being responsible for the business side, but that’s basically throwing a grenade in the middle of a fragile team trying to gain some hope
He comes across as well spoken and thoughtful and if you take him as such, no way should he not understand how damaging that could be to the team
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The things he says about trusting and supporting his agent make sense in a way.
But the timing of it, and going public - right after a team that struggled but has put together two wins and a shootout loss - no way that doesn’t make the room awkward
He talks about being a “good teammate” and his agent being responsible for the business side, but that’s basically throwing a grenade in the middle of a fragile team trying to gain some hope
He comes across as well spoken and thoughtful and if you take him as such, no way should he not understand how damaging that could be to the team
It's pretty selfish. The team has been trying to improve its reputation and was starting to build some positive momentum, and he and his agent thought it was a good time to pull this. If I was one of the players here for the next few seasons, I would be really upset with him.
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