[PGT] There was a 4-1 hockey game I guess

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Getting fresh eyes into any organization when things are going poorly over an exte des period of time is a no brainer.

Lots of posters thought both hires were bad choices. Based on results it's hard to disagree with that.

They did bring in Dave Nonis - I jest.

I’m not sure that this is a prestigious job. Meddling owner, market that is on most no trade lists, crappy building etc.

I know I got blasted by some for this with Huska, but conny got shortlisted for the Buffalo job. Again, these aren’t fools at the helm. May not be what we want but the Hockey ops team has some regard around the league.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cannon7

are Zary and Pospisil playing this low danger perimeter system? No. Neither are vets like Coleman and Mangiapane.

Fact of the matter is this low danger perimeter garbage is players not wanting to go to the difficult areas on the ice.

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

[Paulie Walnuts]

The system isn't great but we had our chances in close with open nets and missed.

We have been missing open nets like crazy this year.

That has to change soon I would think.

[Flame On]

I think as always, more than one thing is possible at a time.

It's possible the terrible, terrible roster that Brad assembled, was good enough under a coach of Sutter's caliber, to get within a few points of playoffs. But the a slightly different but ultimately the same roster, under a brand new NHL coach, who is unproven, is not good enough to get the most out of the same roster.

Or maybe he's an ok coach, but just doesn't have the time to grow into it with the problematic characters the team has. Who knows, but it's a bit of both for sure.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

Lindys checked out man. The old lindy would have buried that pass from huberdeau a few games back. His gaf meter is non existent. Counting down days until trade deadline. Huska should sit his a$$ down for a period or game. Hurting team right now with his play.

[Fourteen FTW]

Originally Posted by cannon7

are Zary and Pospisil playing this low danger perimeter system? No. Neither are vets like Coleman and Mangiapane.

Fact of the matter is this low danger perimeter garbage is players not wanting to go to the difficult areas on the ice.

If you buy a drag race car with 8 years of payments and then enter it into the Daytona 500 you are going to lose every race for 8 years.

Changing the way the car works is unlikely here.
If we want HIM to be successful it has to be a system and line mates who can play that way.

I personally think Hubs-Backlund-Mange is our best shot at this.
With Mange driving the net.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so you wanted to just miss again?

No I’ve been a supporter of a rebuild for a while. When the goal is playoffs and you barely miss, it’s a bummer but things can be turned around.

When the goal is playoffs and you’re in 30th place, it’s embarrassing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vedder

I mean, Gaudreau managed 115 points as an east west player in the same system.

Actually, if you go back and watch that year he didn't. That first line never played Sutter's system whatsoever, they did their own thing, the rest of team struggled to score badly because they played that system. Do you not remember Darryl's jabs about them saying that some players were doing their own thing to pad their stats instead of win hockey games? Go back and watch games from that season and see how different line #1 played compared to the other lines.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Lindys checked out man. The old lindy would have buried that pass from huberdeau a few games back. His gaf meter is non existent. Counting down days until trade deadline. Huska should sit his a$$ down for a period or game. Hurting team right now with his play.

Can't disagree with that at all.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

You honestly believe Huska is telling them to stick to the perimeter and take low danger shots?

Gaudreau and Tkachuk got Lindholm 40 goals, that should be pretty damn obvious by now.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How can you assess Conroy this early?

I think his coaching decision was bad. I think his Toffolli trade was rushed and the return was bad. I like that he is more supportive of young players getting a shot which is good.

He is in the record saying this is a good team, and they are in a lottery position an his coach and trade acquisition both seem like flops.

I'm not saying he will be a terrible GM. I'm saying this team needed a completely new perspective on players, and clearly Conroy over estimates both his current players and his previous assistant coach (which is what happens when you only promote from within).

[The Fisher Account]

2022-2023 - Furious at only 55 points from Huberdeau

2023-2024 - Salivating at the prospect of Huberdeau getting close to 55 points

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Actually, if you go back and watch that year he didn't. That first line never played Sutter's system whatsoever, they did their own thing, the rest of team struggled to score badly because they played that system. Do you not remember Darryl's jabs about them saying that some players were doing their own thing to pad their stats instead of win hockey games? Go back and watch games from that season and see how different line #1 played compared to the other lines.

So what you're saying is that high end players can make skilled plays and score points regardless of the system? We are in complete agreement!

Haven't seen that from Huberdeau at all.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

He would probably love to but Gaudreau and Tkachuk are gone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

No I’ve been a supporter of a rebuild for a while. When the goal is playoffs and you barely miss, it’s a bummer but things can be turned around.

When the goal is playoffs and you’re in 30th place, it’s embarrassing.

You could be the Stanley Cup contenders in 32nd place.

Which is worse?

[MisterJoji]

Blow it up. We’re ready.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lindholm scored 40 goals going to the difficult areas, Mangiapane 30+. Why did they stop? You think Lindholm in a contract year doesn't want to do what got him 40 goals?

We should ask Darryl. The drop happened during his watch.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cannon7

You honestly believe Huska is telling them to stick to the perimeter and take low danger shots?

Gaudreau and Tkachuk got Lindholm 40 goals, that should be pretty damn obvious by now.

That's exactly what he is doing, hell even Pat Steinberg who loves Huska has said as much on Flames Talk. He has changed nothing in the offensive zone from what Sutter was implementing. Like if you watch you can see it. Cycle it around, back to the point, shoot with no traffic. Get into the zone, take a shot from the side, goalie sees it all the way, couples of guys come in after hoping for a rebound. Rinse and repeat. This team is too small to play that game.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You could be the Stanley Cup contenders in 32nd place.

Which is worse?

They have at least tried legit NHL coaches over and over again and then went with their AHL guy. The Flames hired nobodies or way over the hill coaches until Sutter. Then when he wore out his welcome they went right back to the bargain bin.

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by Rubicant

Some thoughts from the game:

- this team is not better to watch in person. So little passion it’s almost hard to believe.

- I feel bad for Wolf. The only goal I really thought he should have had was the one from Hamonic. Team put in a terrible effort in front of him.

- Highlight of the night was a guy in the 200s wearing an oilers suck jersey with number 89. He left in the 3rd with a paper bag on his head.

The rebuild can’t start soon enough. Anything not bolted down needs to go. All UFAs out, and that’s just a start.

Also - building a rink in Kanata was so dumb. Appreciate how the dome and its replacement are both downtown.

I *just* got home. I had forgotten how absolutely stupid it is to go out there. your other points are spot on too. that Zadorov play on the third goal might've been one of the stupidest plays I've ever seen an NHLer make.