11-11-2023, 12:09 PM
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#521
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by dino7c
lol wat? you may have noticed he doesn't have a contract for next season...could be injured tomorrow. Devils aren't giving him term they have some big contracts coming up.
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He also had no choice on his destination we could have sent him to San Jose for a 3rd.
Toffoli did nothing but act on hurt feelings.
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11-11-2023, 12:12 PM
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#522
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by shutout
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Pass on picking up a 25 year third pairing dman from Nashville. Pass on the Florida deal for the same reason.
Would be willing to do Toronto, prefer if the second pick was higher than a 5th, Klingberg has negative value. Vancouver would have to add more to make that appealing at all.
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11-11-2023, 12:13 PM
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#523
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shutout
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Gross
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11-11-2023, 12:13 PM
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#524
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Nobody is giving Tofolli term. Sharangovich and the pick was actually a pretty good return. I hope all of our remaining UFAs return more though.
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11-11-2023, 12:13 PM
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#525
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
thing is we have never seen Zadorov play top minutes
Gudbranson looked very good playing on the 3rd pair of a 1st place team too...that contract didn't exactly work out
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I think even the Zadorov haters would say Zadorov >>> Gudbranson.
But fact is Zadorov has been the Flames' best possession player since joining the team. Sure guys like Tanev get harder minutes. But guys like Tanev have also struggled big time this season with those minutes. And it is not like Zadorov is being played like an offensive defenceman, he sees plenty of defensive zone starts, is fifth in special team minutes, etc.
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11-11-2023, 12:13 PM
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#526
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Jamie Oleksiak is an obvious Zadorov comparable and got 5 years @ $4.6M. He's also playing top pairing minutes on a weaker d corps on a team ahead of us in the standings. And I'd rather have Zadorov. So yeah, I think 5x5 is fair.
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He signed it with an expansion team with a ton of cap room that had no expectations of being good any time soon.
Dude has 3 points and is a -1. He obviously wasn't a 3D on Dallas - they let him go for free.
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11-11-2023, 12:15 PM
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#527
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Gross
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Toronto one is fine.
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11-11-2023, 12:15 PM
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#528
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
I can only recall one instance and it was less foot speed and more his reach that was able to deflect the puck.
Regardless he is a good skater for that size.
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You need to watch games more closely.
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11-11-2023, 12:16 PM
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#529
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cannon7
I think even the Zadorov haters would say Zadorov >>> Gudbranson.
But fact is Zadorov has been the Flames' best possession player since joining the team. Sure guys like Tanev get harder minutes. But guys like Tanev have also struggled big time this season with those minutes. And it is not like Zadorov is being played like an offensive defenceman, he sees plenty of defensive zone starts, is fifth in special team minutes, etc.
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Zadarov is also sheltered by 4 dmen ahead of him. If the Flames trade Hanifin and Tanev before Zaradov a lot of the shine will come off
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11-11-2023, 12:19 PM
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#530
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bonded
Toronto one is fine.
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If we just picked up Klingberg from Toronto for nothing the Leafs would have to add at least a 2nd to take that terrible contract off their hands. I would say they have to add more.
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11-11-2023, 12:21 PM
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#531
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
You need to watch games more closely.
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Like sit closer to the TV?
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11-11-2023, 12:21 PM
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#532
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Pretty sure I am on the record as saying trading a 70 point guy for what we got was a bad return. Nonetheless it is the right move for the Flames to trade all these guys. I am hoping he does better with the future trades but this team is not going anywhere anytime soon. The Flames should not be signing any of their older players to contracts, certainly not longterm contracts.
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You still need veterans on the roster to teach the younger guys. And doesn't hurt if he's Russian when two of your better d-men prospects in the minors are fellow countrymen. (Solovyov is technically Belarusian, but close enough)
And Zadorov is only 28.
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11-11-2023, 12:22 PM
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#533
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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So with no cap dump coming back what do we think Zadorovs value is?
Mid/Late first?
Two seconds?
Tofolli like with Sharangovich and a third?
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11-11-2023, 12:22 PM
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#534
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
He signed it with an expansion team with a ton of cap room that had no expectations of being good any time soon.
Dude has 3 points and is a -1. He obviously wasn't a 3D on Dallas - they let him go for free.
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Well, that reasoning is a little flawed - Dallas protected Heiskanen, Lindell, and Klingberg ahead of him. At the time, Klingberg was coming off 36 points in 53 games, and Oleksiak was a pending free agent to boot. A lot of teams lost players they would rather not have. His -1 is not bad for a team that is 5-6-3 and been outscored by 11.
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11-11-2023, 12:24 PM
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#535
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Like sit closer to the TV?
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That’s a start.
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11-11-2023, 12:24 PM
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#536
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Zadarov is also sheltered by 4 dmen ahead of him. If the Flames trade Hanifin and Tanev before Zaradov a lot of the shine will come off
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He's being sheltered by four guys who are underperforming.
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11-11-2023, 12:24 PM
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#537
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
He also had no choice on his destination we could have sent him to San Jose for a 3rd.
Toffoli did nothing but act on hurt feelings.
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While that may or may not be true, a team that has trouble attracting players to stay, should absolutely not be sending players to a crappy destination just because you can.
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11-11-2023, 12:25 PM
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#538
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by cannon7
You still need veterans on the roster to teach the younger guys. And doesn't hurt if he's Russian when two of your better d-men prospects in the minors are fellow countrymen. (Solovyov is technically Belarusian, but close enough)
And Zadorov is only 28.
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I am almost positive Weager and Rasmus are veterans and can teach younger players. No need to sign a guy to an expensive longterm contract to be a veteran for one player who is not even a slam dunk to be a NHL player.
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11-11-2023, 12:26 PM
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#539
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
lol wat? you may have noticed he doesn't have a contract for next season...could be injured tomorrow. Devils aren't giving him term they have some big contracts coming up.
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How likely is it that he gets a long term injury? Very unlikely. Its why players go to UFA all the time over taking lower deals.
What is much more likely is that he is going to have another good offensive season on a play-off team with the chance of showing again that he is a good play-off producer.
That likely gets him a bigger deal that hanging around a non-play-off Flames team putting up lesser numbers.
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11-11-2023, 12:26 PM
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#540
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Zadarov is also sheltered by 4 dmen ahead of him. If the Flames trade Hanifin and Tanev before Zaradov a lot of the shine will come off
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That's a really good point. Connie - take note!
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