Zadorov just requested a trade. 😢

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Honestly Zadorov might be worth 5x5. Would rather him at that price and term over Hanifin.

Hanifin and Tanev are on the way out anyway.

Need someone to mentor guy like Solovyov, and Zadorov would have been ideal there.

This is just disastrous all around. Rippling effects of Conroy making it known to the vets that extensions weren't coming. The one thing Treliving did well was keep his damn mouth shut.

Tre would have traded a 1st round pick by now to turn this ship around. Instead Conroy is making it clear that signing a core that can’t perform longterm is not his plan. For some that is disastrous.

[Major Major]

I like Z but when he was calling out his teammates he was also playing like ass and continued to do so for a couple games after. Words are words

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Saqe

How toxic is the room? Just a few games ago Z came out publicly criticizing the guys and now he wants out lol. This whole thing doesn't make sense otherwise.

There is no good non-monetary reason for any veteran to want to stay here.

None.

Bad building.

Old slow players.

No help coming.

If we’re trying to get rid of the “just a paycheque” attitude, it’s tough to give more extensions to 30 year olds who won’t have a chance to win anything.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Maybe next time Conroy can keep quiet about holding off on extension negotiations?

Did it to himself.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When did conroy say this?

How would Conroy "keep quiet" about it anyway? Wouldn't the players figure it out pretty quickly when they, you know, aren't receiving offers?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Tre would have traded a 1st round pick by now to turn this ship around. Instead Conroy is making it clear that signing a core that can’t perform longterm is not his plan. For some that is disastrous.

I didn't say Treliving was good. He had one good quality as a GM. That's it.

But telling your vets that extensions are on hold for the foreseeable future is going to have unintended consequences. And here we are.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cannon7

This is just disastrous all around. Rippling effects of Conroy making it known to the vets that extensions weren't coming. The one thing Treliving did well was keep his damn mouth shut.

This is such a weird criticism of Conroy. How is he supposed to 'keep his mouth shut' when it comes to extensions? String the UFAs along and be like yeah, I am totally interested in re-signing you for max years and a high cap hit and then just trade them? Seems like the Flames aren't interested in a contract that Zadarov wants and he wants to find a team that is.

Pretty clear that the agent is trying to put pressure on the Flames to sign him or send him to another team that is interested in giving him a fat contract.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I didn't say Treliving was good. He had one good quality as a GM. That's it.

But telling your vets that extensions are on hold for the foreseeable future is going to have unintended consequences. And here we are.

So you’d rather just extend them, and then trade them? Because that’s the only other option. And that would make things worse. These vets would also want NTCs/NMCs attached, hell no. Conroy is doing what Conroy said he would do, asset management. This not only gives us future assets but it also gives us cap space that we can weaponize or utilize later.

[FlamesAreOne]

We're going to have some majorly impressive assets after trading away Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, etc.

We're in a perfect position to rebuild, even with Huby getting us to the cap floor.

I'm all for it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I would be interested to hear their reasoning for why Hanifin is worth 7 x max term? while Zadorov is someone they're willing to lose.

That's some questionable evaluation based on how those two respective players have performed under contract year implications.

I love Zadorov. I do.

But he plays third pairing minutes in a sheltered role. Any time injuries or suspensions have moved him up the roster he's taken on water.

Love the guy.

Wish he could stay, but he's not a 3-4 guy worth $5.5M per season.

Hanifin plays more minutes, against top competition.

[Niemo]

We just need to play a run and gun style so Hubey can feed our no1 C prospects and Kadri can keep up with our no1 W prospects - both after 1 yr of running with Backlund and Coleman…. Haha

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There is no good non-monetary reason for any veteran to want to stay here.

None.

Bad building.

Old slow players.

No help coming.

If we’re trying to get rid of the “just a paycheque” attitude, it’s tough to give more extensions to 30 year olds who won’t have a chance to win anything.

Seems to me like he has a young family and has mentioned that they like the city and wanted to stay.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

We're going to have some majorly impressive assets after trading away Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, etc.

We're in a perfect position to rebuild, even with Huby getting us to the cap floor.

I'm all for it.

Yup, Huberdeau tank commander

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by cannon7

like Solovyov, and Zadorov would have been ideal there.

This is just disastrous all around. Rippling effects of Conroy making it known to the vets that extensions weren't coming. The one thing Treliving did well was keep his damn mouth shut.

You're right, there was never rumors when Treliving was the GM

[Ashasx]

I like Zadorov as a person, he says a lot of good things, but I just don't value him much as a hockey player. I think he's had a good start to this season, but I don't think he'll ever be a consistent top 4 defenceman, and if you aren't that, I would never consider a long term deal or anything close to $5 million AAV.

I am glad this is happening. I wish the agent was a little quieter about it, but I think another team will make this mistake and very quickly realize their error.

If the Flames get the value of a 2nd round pick, I would be happy. Anything above that is just gravy.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Bonded

This is such a weird criticism of Conroy. How is he supposed to 'keep his mouth shut' when it comes to extensions? String the UFAs along and be like yeah, I am totally interested in re-signing you for max years and a high cap hit and then just trade them? Seems like the Flames aren't interested in a contract that Zadarov wants and he wants to find a team that is.

Umm, sort of? Hyperbole aside, it is usually a good idea to have your vets think they're in your long term plans. Especially if a quarter of your roster is pending UFAs. Probably advisable to re-sign some of them? Not all, some.

But you're right, having Conroy slam the brakes on a Hanifin extension, then having that leak to the media is a work of genius. Now we have Hanifin, Lindholm, Tanev, Zadorov, etc. most of which are at o near lows in terms of trade value heading to UFA. I'm sure Conroy will get a real haul of assets for them.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I love Zadorov. I do.

But he plays third pairing minutes in a sheltered role. Any time injuries or suspensions have moved him up the roster he's taken on water.

Love the guy.

Wish he could stay, but he's not a 3-4 guy worth $5.5M per season.

Hanifin plays more minutes, against top competition.

People forget what Zadorov really is .
He is basically a Milan Lucic on defense. He brings some good but mostly a role player

There is a reason Zadorov kept coming back short term. Nobody really wants to invest in him

[Muta]

Whatever Conroy does, he better now start making sure he keeps the grand plan in the back of his mind - Makar a Flame in a couple years.

Or just trade Zadorov and Huberdeau (or Kadri) for Makar right now. C'mon Colorado, do it you cowards.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

We're going to have some majorly impressive assets after trading away Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov, Tanev, etc.

Can we ice a roster entirely of Sharangoviches? Guess we're going to find out.

[iggyloob12]

I like Zadorov as a No. 5, but not enough to overpay. Conroy needs to do his best Yzerman impression (a la Drouin) and not rush into anything. Wait for the best deal, regardless of the player's or agent's timeline.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I didn't say Treliving was good. He had one good quality as a GM. That's it.

But telling your vets that extensions are on hold for the foreseeable future is going to have unintended consequences. And here we are.

I am personally fine with the unintended consequences, though I suspect the UFAs being fine with being traded is not considered a bad thing by Conroy. I would love to see them do the following

1) trade all pending for draft picks or prospects 23 years of age or younger. If there is a market for vets on the team that are not UFAs explore that as well

2) in the off-season sign Wolf, Ruzicka and Pospisil to as much term as possible. Sign Dube short term. Use the rest of the cap space to trade for bad contracts and accumulate picks.

3) in 24/25 try to continue to trade vets for picks and prospects. If possible trade some of the bad contracts you picked up for more picks and prospects.

See where you are at after 24/25. In that offseason try to sign Coronato and Zary to as much term as possible (could actually do that this upcoming offseason too). Evaluate where you are at after 24/25 to determine next steps.

I view the zadorov need as good news as it potentially sets step one in motion.