Zadorov just requested a trade. 😢

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You have this notion that they have better goalies than Markstrom. They don’t. They’d love to have him, or they should. Markstrom’s issue is his $6M hit, which they can’t afford. They have no contracts to move that aren’t their top wingers. So if they want Zadorov and Markstrom they have to move salary, and they were at odds with Bratt as recently as his last negotiations (which I suspect Bratt now thinks didn’t go his way).

The only contract they’d dump is Meier and no thanks on that one

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by TOfan

True.

The Flames can make this move on their terms. Big Z, as MacKinnon stated, is a donkey. If he was smart, he would have kept quiet and let the trade unfold. The writing was already on the wall.

The reason agent went public was for the hope that his client would get traded sooner than later. I don’t like that he went public but if I was an agent I would have done the same thing.

[activeStick]

Big Z is a solid defenceman who shows a lot of outward care for his teammates, is a good play rusher especially when he gets an angle on opposition defenders, has a good shot, brings a strong physical element that many others on the team don't, and makes mistakes on reads in his own zone.

If he agrees to an extension at under 5M, it'd be a great value deal.

[Major Major]

The issue with assuming an extension is that he seems to be wanting to build his value for UFA with this trade. So he may not be interested

[Saqe]

How toxic is the room? Just a few games ago Z came out publicly criticizing the guys and now he wants out lol. This whole thing doesn't make sense otherwise.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

How do you know if Conroy was really working on a trade or just dragging out till TDL?

It’s not a dick move if your boss tell you he doesn’t want you and no hurry to do anything

Conroy said he wasn’t going to let assets leave for free. That’s on record.

That being the case he likely is having discussions with other teams, or at least he will be. Otherwise he’s probably talking contract extension which evidently isn’t happening.

Whether the trade happens at the deadline or beforehand isn’t relevant. It is a dock move because he’s now made the situation all that more awkward. If offers drop because of this, what incentive is there for Conroy to trade him now?

[Savvy27]

It sucks that this is public and further humiliation for the Flames, but it does help push the team towards moving these free agents out and not risking disaster by having them leave for nothing after the team falling short of the playoffs.

There are some parallels here with Toffoli for sure. Both guys saw themselves in premier roles with the team and were willing to sign long-term deals that would cement their status. However, I can't find fault with the Flames for seeing things differently with both of them.

If the information is true that Zadorov is looking for Gavrikov money ($5.85M cap hit), then it is best for the team if he goes and earns that salary for another team. The Flames can retain on three contracts and if they can maximize returns by making those trades early, then hopefully they can see the writing on the wall, get their young guys experience in a down year and get lucky in the lottery.

This is a lot easier to take with the call ups performing so well

[OldSam]

So he wants to be here, now he doesn't, now he would like a trade to the Devils, or Toronto?. I am sorry, but when did things change so a third pairing D could dictate when and where he wants to go? And none of us know what the team is doing behind closed doors.

What we know for sure is that Conroy has been on the job less than six months and facing situations the most experienced GMs have never faced. I would rather give him time to get this disaster figured out than run around in all directions because a player's demands changed today.

Last I heard, the teams own the rights to the players, not the media who think they are more powerful than anyone else in hockey.

I have no issue with him wanting to leave. This going to the media irritates me all to hell. And maybe no one wants him, or they are offering a 7th round pick. Who knows? We certainly don't.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Saqe

How toxic is the room? Just a few games ago Z came out publicly criticizing the guys and now he wants out lol. This whole thing doesn't make sense otherwise.

It makes tons of sense if you just view it as a player on an expiring contract looking for his next. Flames aren’t extending anyone right now, and the team is ####… leaving is the best way to maximize your next contract.

I don’t think this situation has anything to do with the room. The current direction of the team doesn’t align with Zadorov. We need our hands forced anyway, it’s for the best.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Saqe

How toxic is the room? Just a few games ago Z came out publicly criticizing the guys and now he wants out lol. This whole thing doesn't make sense otherwise.

It has nothing to do with the room being 'toxic'. Z wanted to stay with this group of players. However, it is a contract year for him. From everything he said he wants his next contract to be a multi-year contact. The team is still in 30th place, and in no position to offer big money extensions to its players. That's why it simply comes down to business, because Z wants to maximize his value, and stop being a mercenary that moves every couple of years.

[442scotty]

He feels disrespected and I don’t blame him. Fix this Conroy!

[Saqe]

I just don't understand his effort to be a leader and the next day change his mind and ask for a trade. And this is after getting 5/6 points in the last three games.

[Wastedyouth]

Good riddance Zadarov.

Hope you bring a good pick.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

It makes tons of sense if you just view it as a player on an expiring contract looking for his next. Flames aren’t extending anyone right now, and the team is ####… leaving is the best way to maximize your next contract.

I don’t think this situation has anything to do with the room. The current direction of the team doesn’t align with Zadorov. We need our hands forced anyway, it’s for the best.

No, no, no.

This cannot be an amicable split and a player who likes it here but sees the writing on the wall so he decided to make his intentions known (something CP has lost their #### over other players not doing).

It has to be a toxic room and a garbage franchise that is the laughingstock of the league. Teams don’t just trade pending UFAs. They sign them to long term and high AAV (so that fans can later bitch in hindsight that they knew all along it was a terrible overpay). Any players the team wanted to extend are crap and any players the team trade are franchise cornerstones who are trying to escape Calgary asap.

You have to tackle this from all angles with nothing but pessimism. Toxic room, bad coach, joke franchise, bad GM etc. There is no scenario where the team and the player wanted the same thing, where this might work out for the best for both player and team.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I just don't understand his effort to be a leader and the next day change his mind and ask for a trade. And this is after getting 5/6 points in the last three games.

Well if your employer doesn’t want to extend you, despite openly saying you want to be here, then you sort of have your answer on your future don’t you?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I suspect the level of interest/potential suitors will increase towards the deadline. Contenders are almost always looking to add depth. I’d bet that’s when you can get the best return via multiple teams making offers.

That said, if someone wants to step up now and give the Flames what they want, you take it.

Considering the Flames gave up a third for Zadorov (a move that was widely panned by the way) anything more than that should be a win. I think the Flames should easily get that value back. Hopefully all the ‘asset management’ people will acknowledge that when the time comes.

So a 3rd and a 7th would suffice in your view?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I just don't understand his effort to be a leader and the next day change his mind and ask for a trade. And this is after getting 5/6 points in the last three games.

For all we know he wanted 6x6 from the Flames. This is about money

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So a 3rd and a 7th would suffice in your view?

If that was all that was on the table, then yes - that would suffice.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You have this notion that they have better goalies than Markstrom. They don’t. They’d love to have him, or they should. Markstrom’s issue is his $6M hit, which they can’t afford. They have no contracts to move that aren’t their top wingers. So if they want Zadorov and Markstrom they have to move salary, and they were at odds with Bratt as recently as his last negotiations (which I suspect Bratt now thinks didn’t go his way).

I know you think Markstrom is some kind of consistent good goalies with no faults

But most people don’t think that way

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I just don't understand his effort to be a leader and the next day change his mind and ask for a trade. And this is after getting 5/6 points in the last three games.

If he knew he was leaving pretty easy to speak out against the group that you will be leaving. I don't think this diminishes what he said or says anything bad about him but could be why he said what he did and still wanted out.