2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dino7c]

Plus use the cap space you get from moving these guys to acquire even more young assets.

[NewFan]

My hope, we trade all our best assets for mostly higher draft picks or just drafted players.
Why?
Because I believe if we have a chance to draft 5 or 6 high draft picks in next 2 draft and plus with current young players, I hope they grow together and become a group of best friends who wants to play together for this team and to achieve their ultimate goal as Flame.
This is one of the most important factor we may able to keep talents in this market

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Sec214

This wont be a burn it to the ground rebuild.

This is terrifying if true, hopefully it comes from the same source as the Love information.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

This is terrifying if true, hopefully it comes from the same source as the Love information.

It isn't terrifying, it's not possible with some of the contracts on this team.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't terrifying, it's not possible with some of the contracts on this team.

We need top end talent. As excited people are with our prospects is there a single one that looks to be a 1st line forward or top pairing d? No

Obviously top 5 picks aren't a guarantee to get those level of players but it is the best way to do so. If we aren't going for a full tear down and giving ourselves a shot at that level of talent we are headed towards the current situation, although a weaker version, where we have good not great talent and can't compete with the teams that do.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't terrifying, it's not possible with some of the contracts on this team.

What contracts are holding the Flames back from being a scorched earth rebuild? Chicago drafted Bedard with Seth Jones, effectively our Huberdeau. So, Kadri and...Backlund are what are holding it up?

They're currently 3rd last in the league.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What do you mean?

What contracts are holding the Flames back from being a scorched earth rebuild? Chicago drafted Bedard with Seth Jones, effectively our Huberdeau. So, Kadri and...Backlund are what are holding it up?

They're currently 3rd last in the league.

And they had Patrick Kane right up until the trade deadline as well.

At this point, Huberdeau actually helps the tank.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

What contracts are holding the Flames back from being a scorched earth rebuild? Chicago drafted Bedard with Seth Jones, effectively our Huberdeau. So, Kadri and...Backlund are what are holding it up?

They're currently 3rd last in the league.

I don't think you can move Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom. When I hear scorched Earth rebuild to me that is moving everyone over 25. This team can definitely start rebuilding but they can't go scorched Earth .

[Monahammer]

2-3 year rebuild while trading all expiring vets and maybe a couple others (markstrom, backkund) is pretty much exactly what the boards are clamoring for and it sounds like what Sec is saying.

No need to quibble about what a "full rebuild" is. It sounds like, whether players forced their hand or not, we may be getting what we are all hoping for. I won't believe it until I see it happening, but this will restore my hope.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think you can move Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom. When I hear scorched Earth rebuild to me that is moving everyone over 25. This team can definitely start rebuilding but they can't go scorched Earth .

Ah, yeah I guess I don't view a scorched Earth rebuild in that manner - mostly because I don't think we've ever really seen one that drastic. The closest may be...Toronto when they moved Phil and Phaneuf?

For me, the 'scorched earth' rebuild looks like trading anything that isn't bolted down.

Zadorov, Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin -> if these guys all get dealt with an eye towards tomorrow, that's the most any fan could ever hope to see within 1 season.

[Ped]

You can't just trade everyone. You need to meet the cap floor. You need to have some veteran guys to help lead the young guys coming in. You don't want to be San Jose bad, because that kind of losing often damages your organization.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ped

You can't just trade everyone. You need to meet the cap floor. You need to have some veteran guys to help lead the young guys coming in. You don't want to be San Jose bad, because that kind of losing often damages your organization.

We have two more wins than them.

...there is something to say about their Goals Against though. That's certainly something.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think you can move Huberdeau, Kadri, or Markstrom. When I hear scorched Earth rebuild to me that is moving everyone over 25. This team can definitely start rebuilding but they can't go scorched Earth .

I think we can definitely trade Markstrom but agree with the other two. I think we can go scorched earth with those two guys still here, but obviously would be better to move them on.

My concern when I hear that is they use the excuse of having guys like Hubredeau and Kadri to not move other players like Markstrom and maybe even a Lindholm/Hanifin.

I hope I am wrong but it sounds so much like what we have done in the past and not what we need to do now.

[devo22]

you don't need to trade everyone, just the pending UFAs.

Lindholm should get you a 1st and a prospect
Hanifin should get you a 1st and a prospect
Zadorov should get you a 2nd/3rd and/or a prospect
Tanev should get you a 3rd or a prospect

and who knows, someone might even be desperate enough to throw you a middle/late pick for Vladar. The Flames would probably have to take contracts back, but that's okay - you need to ice a roster and meet the cap floor. But if they can move the pending UFAs for solid packages of futures, you don't need to go scorched Earth.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think vladar's 3rd and OT last night on hall of fame night may have bumped his stock if there are gms looking for a capable backup or stop gap.

Pretty big stage and he performed well.

[Jason14h]

Markstrum to NJ is some sort of deal makes too much sense - would have to figure out contracts/cap and be creative

[Redrum]

I think they can still do a pretty in-depth rebuild, if they actually try. But signing Lindholm to the insane price AND term that was rumored would've made it much more congested to try and work around.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Sec214

25 and younger, controlled or prospects or picks in the next 2 drafts.

What teams are trading 25 and younger for pending UFAs? Those would seem to be sign and trade scenarios, because otherwise that’d be terrible asset management on the other team’s end.

Hearing this, I worry that Vancouver’s bounce back season may be conveniently validating the ‘retool’ approach for our ownership group.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I think vladar's 3rd and OT last night on hall of fame night may have bumped his stock if there are gms looking for a capable backup or stop gap.

Pretty big stage and he performed well.

But he was bad up until then.

And 25 minutes of decent hockey does move the needle of any player.

All goalies look good for a portion of time.

He’s been one of the worse goalies in the league this year. And has an unattractive cap hit for a back up.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Markstrum to NJ is some sort of deal makes too much sense - would have to figure out contracts/cap and be creative

That might make some sense. If NJ actually values Marky.