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Old 11-09-2023, 01:11 PM   #181
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Maybe the Sharks are ready to go full California Golden Seals and trade their first unprotected for Wolf if he has a good game?
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:14 PM   #182
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Low Danger Save % Above Expected
Last season (min games played: 20)
1st Ullmark, 0.011 (actual: 0.984, expected: 0.973)
16th Skinner, 0.002 (actual: 0.972, expected: 0.971)
25th Markstrom, -0.002 (actual: 0.968, expected: 0.970)

This season (min games played: 3)
1st DeSmith, 0.018 (actual: 0.992, expected: 0.973)
16th Bobrovsky, 0.006 (actual: 0.977, expected: 0.971)
48th Markstrom, -0.017 (actual: 0.954, expected: 0.971)

Medium Danger Save % Above Expected
Last season (min games played: 20)
1st Samsonov, 0.047 (actual: 0.927, expected: 0.880)
16th Bobrovsky, 0.013 (actual: 0.888, expected: 0.876)
38th Markstrom, -0.009 (actual: 0.867, expected: 0.875)

This season (min games played: 3)
1st Comrie, 0.136 (actual: 1.000, expected: 0.864)
13th Markstrom, 0.032 (actual: 0.907, expected: 0.874)
16th Quick, 0.024 (actual: 0.907, expected: 0.883)

High Danger Save % Above Expected
Last season (min games played: 20)
1st Kochetkov, 0.145 (actual: 0.825, expected: 0.680)
16th Saros, 0.074 (actual: 0.757, expected: 0.682)
43rd Markstrom, 0.024 (actual: 0.700, expected: 0.676)

This season (min games played: 3)
1st Vladar, 0.285 (actual: 1.000, expected: 0.715)
16th Woll, 0.130 (actual: 0.786, expected: 0.655)
32nd Markstrom, 0.081 (actual: 0.781, expected: 0.697)
well that doesn't look good... lol
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:17 PM   #183
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It's about time. In my opinion they should have moved a goalie before the season started. But, Wolf has now fully proven he's done with the AHL and however they decide to divy up NHL games, Wolf has to be in the NHL full time now.

Excited for Wolf, happy that they finally called him up.
The only reasons Wolf needs to be up full time:
- He earns it in the NHL
- They trade Vladar or Markstrom

Neither has happened yet, and there’s no reason not to send him back down if neither does.
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:17 PM   #184
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Did you seriously suggest that I hate a player so much I want us to lose against the effing OIlers?? hahahahahaha

But he hasn't and you are clearly just an apologist for him. Not only did he suck in that playoff series, he historically sucked! lol

Name one good game he has had against the Oilers in the past 3 years even. It's clear he has a case of the yips against the Oiler and god damn is it ugly.
Didn't suggest that at all.

And I'm not an apologist at all. I don't have favourites and I don't have whipping boys.

My season isn't just the Oilers, thanks.
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:19 PM   #185
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Oh he'll have his growing pains, without question.

But for a goalie with his accolades, you ride or die with your youth. Can't stand on the fence forever because if he is actually great long term and you don't show that belief in him, he will remember that down the road. A goalie of Vladar's caliber is replaceable. They are out there.

Isn't that the theme of this year anyways..a youth movement? So far it's panned out pretty nicely for them.
Do you honestly believe this and that Wolf won't be on this roster full-time as soon as next season? Forever? If you agree he will be on the team next season, why use this as an argument?
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I doubt Vladar is worth much. Guy probably has as much trade value as Brossoit? Anything higher than a 4th would a steal at this point IMO.
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Except that he is complete garbage against the Oilers. We will never forget!
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Didn't suggest that at all.

And I'm not an apologist at all. I don't have favourites and I don't have whipping boys.

My season isn't just the Oilers, thanks.
Well mine is. With all the coworkers I know and relatives from Edmonton who are Oiler fans they can suck it. Sometimes an Oilers loss is better than a Flames win.

You know you have a 25,000(combined) post thread in here trash talking the No Goods right? I'm wildly guessing but I'm pretty sure a lot of us in here hate the Oilerz..
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The overstating part is framing it as 20%... he's basically stopping 1 additional dangerous shot per game. That's not nothing but it's also not the difference between what he was last year and solid. I mean he has the 5th worst GSAA in the league so far... he had the 4th worst showing in the league last year by the same measure. So yeah... he's been a bit less bad but that doesn't make him solid.
One doesn't need to frame things when they are actually 20% higher.

xGA last year / xGA this year is 1.2 or 20%.

Trying to ignore that is framing something.

Expected goals are 20% higher.
High danger chances against per 60 are 18.5% higher.

Those are facts.

That's 2.5-3 goals in a ten game segment for a goaltender.
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It's unbelievable anyone who has watched the past 100 games can even defend Markstrom.... it's mind boggling.

and last year was even more hilarious. You have Timbit posting "yeah all you markstrom haters can suck it" early in the 3rd period and boom we end up losing the game by 2. It happened like 2 or times! lol
I was all over Markstrom in my game stories last year ... go read a few you won't see me defending the guy at all.

This year he's been better.

I'm able to admit that because I don't carry an individual player grudge from season to season.
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Markstrom did not skate for maintenance purposes yesterday. He might be nursing something.
Thanks. Good to quell the conspiracy theories.
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Well mine is. With all the coworkers I know and relatives from Edmonton who are Oiler fans they can suck it. Sometimes an Oilers loss is better than a Flames win.

You know you have a 25,000(combined) post thread in here trash talking the No Goods right? I'm wildly guessing but I'm pretty sure a lot of us in here hate the Oilerz..
So now you're suggesting I don't hate the Oilers because I don't assess the team's number one goaltender only on his games against Edmonton?

That's quite the leap.
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If in an alternate universe 22 year old McDavid had to take an ordinary development path to the league and the Oilers were hesitant to promote him despite him owning the AHL because they only saw him playing top 6 C and weren't sure they wanted to depart with whichever okay but not great nhlers they would have in those spots and decided to hold out to see if there was more value either in the player or on the trade market, they would look pretty stupid right?

To a lesser degree the Flames are more or less doing this in goal with Wolf right now.

#### or get off the pot.
That's a bit of a stretch for an analogy. Maybe it would make more sense if McDavid was selected 4th last in his draft year because he was missing a component that most NHL executives believed at that time was essential to a player's success at the NHL level. Like skating or scoring or, more appropriately, the size to effectively compete in the NHL. And played a position that wasn't expected to be on the ice for 60 minutes per game.

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Old 11-09-2023, 01:28 PM   #194
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So now you're suggesting I don't hate the Oilers because I don't assess the team's number one goaltender only on his games against Edmonton?

That's quite the leap.
well you have one of the worst goalies against the Oilers in Flames history since Reggie Lemelin. The Oilers is by far our biggest rival. Our idiot coaches keep starting this all time worst goalie against the Oilers. What's the only solution. You get rid of him.

I mean as soon as they announced Marky against the Oilers in the Heritage Classic I didn't even bother watching.
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:30 PM   #195
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Forget about high-dangers... Markstrom is 48th in the NHL this season on low-dangers (which represent the majority of shots and saves). He's actually saved 1.7% less low-danger shots than what an average NHL goalie would be expected to save.

Those are the backbreakers. Those are the goals that drag a team down.


PS: Shoutout to Vladar for being the only goalie in the NHL who has played at least 3 games this season and has yet to be beaten by a high-danger shot!
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You know you have a 25,000(combined) post thread in here trash talking the No Goods right?
PPPHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTT.

It's WAY bigger than that.
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So now you're suggesting I don't hate the Oilers because I don't assess the team's number one goaltender only on his games against Edmonton?

That's quite the leap.

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well you have one of the worst goalies against the Oilers in Flames history since Reggie Lemelin. The Oilers is by far our biggest rival. Our idiot coaches keep starting this all time worst goalie against the Oilers. What's the only solution. You get rid of him.

I mean as soon as they announced Marky against the Oilers in the Heritage Classic I didn't even bother watching.
Yet you are here arguing and insulting me because I said he played well in that game lol

#### right off

I have been a HARSH critic of the goaltending the last two seasons but can admit when a guy plays well

HD were 19-4 and they lost 4-2 (EN)

it wasn't a goaltending loss...Markstom prevented an absolute laugher
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Yet you are here arguing and insulting me because I said he played well in that game lol

#### right off
lol are you dense? I told you a few days back when we were arguing that I didn't watch the game and watched the highlights right after the post. Remember you told me to stick your pompoms up my ass? lololol

OHHH the fake outrage. Is your ass still chapped that you were 100% wrong about Rasmus and his hit? hhahahaha
1st time offender 1st time offender 1st time offender 1st time offender 1st time offender! lol

You seriously need a break or you are going to stroke out this season. chill dude.
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well you have one of the worst goalies against the Oilers in Flames history since Reggie Lemelin. The Oilers is by far our biggest rival. Our idiot coaches keep starting this all time worst goalie against the Oilers. What's the only solution. You get rid of him.

I mean as soon as they announced Marky against the Oilers in the Heritage Classic I didn't even bother watching.
So proud of you man! That'll show them!

And you can be that laser focused if you want be, for sure.

But overall Markstrom has been quite good this season ... including the game against Edmonton, which is where I'll place my focus.
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