11-04-2023, 10:28 AM
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#541
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Originally Posted by TOfan
I suspect solidify a 1C/1bC (assuming Lindholm extends) is hugely valuable to the Blue Jackets. A 1st + Sillinger + roster player is a cost I suspect the Jackets would be willing to part with. Hell, if I were in Conroy’s shoes, I might be pushing for more. Maybe the Flames ask should include Johnson (Flames might have to add) Lindholm (retained to make it work) + Dube / Johnson + Sillinger + Roslovic/Boqvist?
Lindholm to the BJ’s makes almost too much sense in my mind.
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I could see something like Lindholm + 3rd for Sillinger, Boqvist, 1st.
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11-04-2023, 10:34 AM
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#542
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I could see something like Lindholm + 3rd for Sillinger, Boqvist, 1st.
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I would be more than fine with that trade. A 23 yr old dman, a 20 year old forward and a pick that could be 10-15. That would be a hell of a return. I would be willing to eat salary on that return as well.
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11-04-2023, 11:13 AM
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#543
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I could see something like Lindholm + 3rd for Sillinger, Boqvist, 1st.
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Sorry I don’t see us getting that much in return. I think more like a Sillinger OR a 1st is more realistic.
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11-04-2023, 11:25 AM
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#544
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Originally Posted by TOfan
I would bet the Jackets will put more stock in the 0.94 points per game playing with Gaudreau Lindolm put up vs the last 90 games.
Also, what’s the plan for Columbus? Because it doesn’t seem to be working out so well there either. Stockpiling 19 year olds ain’t cutting it. They need a 1C to compliment their existing youth. I suspect patience has worn thin and they’re not getting a 1C for Boone Jenner, Eric Gudbransdon and a third.
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Fantilli is certainly considered the franchise center of the future and wouldn’t be surprised if they already think in 2 years he will be a $8-$10M player. Lindholm allegedly comes at a cost of $9M+ so that is risky for the Jackets to lock up so many 30+ players when they look to build around their recent top picks.
I think we need to hope they play well enough to stay in the thick of it to consider a veteran upgrade. I do think if they make a move for Lindholm that they would put one of the assets Sillinger/Johnson/1st on the table but I am not convinced they would put multiple of those on the table.
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11-04-2023, 11:27 AM
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#545
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Lifetime Suspension
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Lindholm would be a rental. Columbus has shown in the past they are ok to pay a price for guys who will walk anyways.
Jarmo needs to make a move to keep his job.
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11-04-2023, 11:30 AM
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#546
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
I could see something like Lindholm + 3rd for Sillinger, Boqvist, 1st.
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That would be an amazing return but can't see us willing to make that deal and even with Jarmo desperate to save his job not sure he would, or the team would allow him to, make that deal.
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11-04-2023, 11:42 AM
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#547
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Lindholm would be a rental. Columbus has shown in the past they are ok to pay a price for guys who will walk anyways.
Jarmo needs to make a move to keep his job.
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They did it once and it blew up in their face. I don’t see that happening again.
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11-04-2023, 11:46 AM
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#548
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
They did it once and it blew up in their face. I don’t see that happening again.
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It takes at least 3 attempts.
They should try again.
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11-04-2023, 11:49 AM
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#549
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Lindholm would be a rental. Columbus has shown in the past they are ok to pay a price for guys who will walk anyways.
Jarmo needs to make a move to keep his job.
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They better stay right in the thick of the race to even consider it. If Jarmo’s job is in jeopardy he might not have the flexibility to trade a recent top pick to sign a 29 year old to a $70+M extension. They have to be near 1st place to consider it from a pure rental perspective. Would we assume a team coming off a bottom 3 finish should have the expectation to jump back in the playoffs this year?
My hope is Columbus is in the mix and Johnson does want out then a match between the 2 teams makes a ton of sense. Columbus can toss in excess D the Flames will need when they hopefully ship out 3 of their regulars which hopefully bring back a 1st, and multiple 2nds and later round picks.
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11-04-2023, 11:54 AM
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#550
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Lifetime Suspension
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Why would Lindholm be a rental only for them?
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11-04-2023, 11:59 AM
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#551
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Spurs
Why would Lindholm be a rental only for them?
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Yeah. He only goes there if he is willing to sign imo
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11-04-2023, 12:02 PM
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#552
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I would assume if there ever were a deal between the 2 teams and one of their prime young assets were on the line it would only be if Lindholm were signing an extension.
With the Flames having extensive contract negotiations with both Lindholm and Hanifin Conroy will be able to tell rival GM’s what their ask would be on an 8 year deal. I could easily see Lindholm accepting a deal closer to $8M if it was the right market like an LA, Florida but obviously not here or Columbus.
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11-04-2023, 12:04 PM
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#553
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Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by CroCop
Sorry I don’t see us getting that much in return. I think more like a Sillinger OR a 1st is more realistic.
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Lol, this is always what some of the fan base always does whenever one of our players is being rumoured on the market. It is absolutely realistic that Lindholm fetches a 1st, a very good prospect, and another piece. Just because he is a Calgary Flame does not mean is value is lower than what the market generally is.
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11-04-2023, 12:18 PM
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#554
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Lol, this is always what some of the fan base always does whenever one of our players is being rumoured on the market. It is absolutely realistic that Lindholm fetches a 1st, a very good prospect, and another piece. Just because he is a Calgary Flame does not mean is value is lower than what the market generally is.
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What are some examples of rental players getting a 1st from a bubble team as well as a top end prospect that was a recent 1st rounder?
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11-04-2023, 12:20 PM
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#555
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Lol, this is always what some of the fan base always does whenever one of our players is being rumoured on the market. It is absolutely realistic that Lindholm fetches a 1st, a very good prospect, and another piece. Just because he is a Calgary Flame does not mean is value is lower than what the market generally is.
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Depends what you classify as a very good prospect. I see the Horvat trade last year as a comparable. Vancouver got a protected first in the deal , a third liner and a b prospect.
Edit: also Vancouver ate salary on Horvat . Hopefully calgarys ownership would be willing to do the same
Last edited by kyuss275; 11-04-2023 at 12:22 PM.
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11-04-2023, 12:30 PM
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#556
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Depends what you classify as a very good prospect. I see the Horvat trade last year as a comparable. Vancouver got a protected first in the deal , a third liner and a b prospect.
Edit: also Vancouver ate salary on Horvat . Hopefully calgarys ownership would be willing to do the same
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The Flames ate salary when they traded Rittich. I have no doubt they would retain on any rental. Asking them to retain on multiple years of Kadri or Huberdeau remains to be seen but they will do it on Lindholm/Hanifin and likely one more rental is my guess
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11-04-2023, 12:46 PM
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#557
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Lol, this is always what some of the fan base always does whenever one of our players is being rumoured on the market. It is absolutely realistic that Lindholm fetches a 1st, a very good prospect, and another piece. Just because he is a Calgary Flame does not mean is value is lower than what the market generally is.
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Lol. Ok we’ll see then
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11-04-2023, 01:06 PM
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#558
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
What are some examples of rental players getting a 1st from a bubble team as well as a top end prospect that was a recent 1st rounder?
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Claude Giroux comes to mind? Close comparison I think? Timo Meier?
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11-04-2023, 01:12 PM
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#559
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Depends what you classify as a very good prospect. I see the Horvat trade last year as a comparable. Vancouver got a protected first in the deal , a third liner and a b prospect.
Edit: also Vancouver ate salary on Horvat . Hopefully calgarys ownership would be willing to do the same
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I think this is reasonably close to the Sillinger , 1st, roster player that’s being talked about. Yes, it does hinge on a contract extension.
Sillinger scored 3 goals last year and was sent down to the AHL. That’s not good. This year? 10 games 4 assists. Is Sillinger an A prospect?
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11-04-2023, 01:16 PM
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#560
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TOfan
I think this is reasonably close to the Sillinger , 1st, roster player that’s being talked about. Yes, it does hinge on a contract extension.
Sillinger scored 3 goals last year and was sent down to the AHL. That’s not good. This year? 10 games 4 assists. Is Sillinger an A prospect?
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I would put him well ahead of atay ( not sure his name) that Vancouver got. Granted that’s just my opinion.
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