[Rumour] Friedman: Flames and Hanifin have made progress on contract extension

[Sandman]

Boqvist is another player that needs to be rescued from Columbus. Only 2 games so far this year, and the kid has real talent. Coach won’t put him in the lineup. He has his fair share of flaws too, just to be fair.

If we had to take a veteran salary back, I really like Jack Roslovic, but I LOVE Boone Jenner (despite the fact he’s getting up there in age). Jenner’s got grit, guts, and compete- exactly what this roster needs.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I think that if you are trading with Columbus you have to take a run at Marchenko.

Sillinger doesn't impress me any more than Zary does so you focus on the guy who provide something that is currently lacking in our lineup (snipers).

You want Marchenko? you better be prepared to add Wolf or Coronado to the mix.

[dammage79]

If the Flames are entering a rebuild, doesn't much matter the return you get for the pending UFAS, as long as its something.

One thing I believe we can all agree on is that there's zero "natural" chemistry with this roster. We should hope they don't call up Wolf and just rotate/reward the kids in the AHL with ice time up with the Flames are the season rolls.

If they believe they can turn it around then they'll that's a different conversation.

[Ped]

Columbus' problem is that other than Fantilli, all their young guys are struggling. Marchenko just 1 goal, Sillinger none, Johnson just one and is now sent down, Texier no points at all. Their coach has been scratching them, which works once in a while, but Boqvist is clearly out of favour. Jiricek has been pretty decent, but there will be growing pains there.


They've had problems scoring in general, too, which makes you think the problem runs deeper.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Is there a more shining hallmark of Calgary Flames hockey than workboots, lunchboxes and dumping the puck into the corners?

Two guys who had huge offensive years playing on a championship team and presents trophy team all of a sudden suck.

John Stevens even alluded to it that Sutter wasn't pleased with Johnny and Tkachuk at the end paying for points.

We had 1 line that played a different brand of hockey and carried the team the rest of the team was playing this boring system hockey that kills offence.

Now he had 2 guys he could force into the system and we got the results we did with everyone playing that type of plodding style.

The organization as a whole needs to actually deliver on what they said that scoring goals and creating offence is important in today's game.

Playing along the boards isn't going to accomplish that.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Savard and Huska should be studying day and night teams that score a lot of goals with similar players (like huberdeau) and figure out wtf this team should be doing with the puck.

There's been absolutely no creativity from coaches in recent years and it's about time they stop defining insanity with the same #### that isn't working and makes watching the team a chore.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sillinger was 11th overall and 1 pick before Coronato. I don’t think Vancouver got a similar prospect back for Horvat who was absolutely lighting it up prior to the trade. Columbus also isn’t t a strong enough team to give up a 1st.

I also think the Flames want to speed things up they would prefer a 21 year old rather than a 1st

I don’t think where Sillinger was selected two years ago has much bearing on his value at this point. D+2 years, you have a better idea where guys are at and Sillinger is not a safe bet to be a top 6 player. What probably has much more valuation is his rookie season and the significant step backwards he took last season. He still needs to establish himself.

What also matters more is what is the appetite from the Blue Jackets to make the playoffs this year? What does the addition of Lindholm mean to that team, specifically? If the feeling/thought is that the Jackets need to take a step forward, now, are they better off achieving that goal with a guy who would step in as your 1C who has proven chemistry with their star winger? I think Lindholm is easily worth Sillinger who, following up on last year’s very disappointing season, has yet to show what he had two years ago. Also, it’s a risk but one the BJ’s may have to take is that pick, if all goes as planned, should be around 20thOA.

Furthermore, what other 1C is available? Under 30? I doubt Stephenson’s going anywhere. Schifele’s off the market. Kuznetzov? Big question marks there. I know who I’d rather have, especially when you factor in Gaudreau’s history. I’d say the Jackets have some work to do to keep Gaudreau/Werenski happy otherwise they might have some guys wanting to move on in a year or two. Factor in market perception and I bet the Jackets do have the appetite to make their move, this year.

The Jackets added to their roster this past offseason to compete now, Provorov and Severson, plus brought in a high profile HC that flammed out spectacularly. Pressures on JK and perhaps JD. Ownership hardly endorsed either one in the wake of it either. I suspect they’re on notice. If they can make the playoffs and put together a team that looks like it can compete over the foreseeable future, I bet they can wash the stink off the embarrassment of the Babcock fiasco.

The questions GM’s should be asking themselves is not ‘those guys paid X for Y’ it should be ‘what doesX mean to us right now, and the future, and do we have the assets to acquire X’.

I suspect solidify a 1C/1bC (assuming Lindholm extends) is hugely valuable to the Blue Jackets. A 1st + Sillinger + roster player is a cost I suspect the Jackets would be willing to part with. Hell, if I were in Conroy’s shoes, I might be pushing for more. Maybe the Flames ask should include Johnson (Flames might have to add) Lindholm (retained to make it work) + Dube / Johnson + Sillinger + Roslovic/Boqvist?

Lindholm to the BJ’s makes almost too much sense in my mind.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is Calgary really the ideal spot to bring in struggling offensive players to find their game?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Savard and Huska should be studying day and night teams that score a lot of goals with similar players (like huberdeau) and figure out wtf this team should be doing with the puck.

There's been absolutely no creativity from coaches in recent years and it's about time they stop defining insanity with the same #### that isn't working and makes watching the team a chore.

I think the issue is Huska and not Savard.

He's coached high scoring teams and his Blues PP was 3rd in the league.

It's a team that lacks pace.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is Calgary really the ideal spot to bring in struggling offensive players to find their game?

I think that’s the risk assessment the Flames are going to have to make. I think it’s pretty unlikely they’re going to get a young prospect/player who is crushing it. Those guys don’t get moved.

The other thing the Flames could do is just prioritize picks. That said, if the Flames do rebuild/retool I bet they want to make it a V, opposed to a U. Conroy might get the green light to rebuild but I suspect the message is, we need to be back in playoff position by the time the new arena opens. Hard to do that if you only stockpiling picks. I think a blended approach is best suited for the organization.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think that’s the risk assessment the Flames are going to have to make. I think it’s pretty unlikely they’re going to get a young prospect/player who is crushing it. Those guys don’t get moved.

The other thing the Flames could do is just prioritize picks. That said, if the Flames do rebuild/retool I bet they want to make it a V, opposed to a U. Conroy might get the green light to rebuild but I suspect the message is, we need to be back in playoff position by the time the new arena opens. Hard to do that if you only stockpiling picks. I think a blended approach is best suited for the organization.

I think a combination is a great thing is as well but I worry the prospects we get would have their confidence shattered by not producing.

Would Sillinger be eligible to go to the Wranglers?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think a combination is a great thing is as well but I worry the prospects we get would have their confidence shattered by not producing.

Would Sillinger be eligible to go to the Wranglers?

Yes, I believe he can go down. He played in Cleveland for 11 games last year. For what it’s worth, I recall a lot of draft projections in 2021 had Sillinger going to the Flames. It sounds like the Flames were interested.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think the issue is Huska and not Savard.

He's coached high scoring teams and his Blues PP was 3rd in the league.

It's a team that lacks pace.

It’s not huska. It’s the players. Time to stop blaming coaches. Poorly constructed team. Scott bowman couldn’t do much better with this group.

[Hackey]

Yes that was basically the jist of it. If anyone could convince Edwards to rebuild its those two and they implied they probably would like to do that. Seemed more like common sense assumptions though not actual things they heard.

All I know is if they decide to rebuild they need to actually commit to it and do it right. A half arse rebuild aka retool is just going to have that back in the middle until their new top players decide we're out of here too. Build a true contender, and guys will want to legitimately stick around.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think where Sillinger was selected two years ago has much bearing on his value at this point. D+2 years, you have a better idea where guys are at and Sillinger is not a safe bet to be a top 6 player. What probably has much more valuation is his rookie season and the significant step backwards he took last season. He still needs to establish himself.

What also matters more is what is the appetite from the Blue Jackets to make the playoffs this year? What does the addition of Lindholm mean to that team, specifically? If the feeling/thought is that the Jackets need to take a step forward, now, are they better off achieving that goal with a guy who would step in as your 1C who has proven chemistry with their star winger? I think Lindholm is easily worth Sillinger who, following up on last year’s very disappointing season, has yet to show what he had two years ago. Also, it’s a risk but one the BJ’s may have to take is that pick, if all goes as planned, should be around 20thOA.

Furthermore, what other 1C is available? Under 30? I doubt Stephenson’s going anywhere. Schifele’s off the market. Kuznetzov? Big question marks there. I know who I’d rather have, especially when you factor in Gaudreau’s history. I’d say the Jackets have some work to do to keep Gaudreau/Werenski happy otherwise they might have some guys wanting to move on in a year or two. Factor in market perception and I bet the Jackets do have the appetite to make their move, this year.

The Jackets added to their roster this past offseason to compete now, Provorov and Severson, plus brought in a high profile HC that flammed out spectacularly. Pressures on JK and perhaps JD. Ownership hardly endorsed either one in the wake of it either. I suspect they’re on notice. If they can make the playoffs and put together a team that looks like it can compete over the foreseeable future, I bet they can wash the stink off the embarrassment of the Babcock fiasco.

The questions GM’s should be asking themselves is not ‘those guys paid X for Y’ it should be ‘what doesX mean to us right now, and the future, and do we have the assets to acquire X’.

I suspect solidify a 1C/1bC (assuming Lindholm extends) is hugely valuable to the Blue Jackets. A 1st + Sillinger + roster player is a cost I suspect the Jackets would be willing to part with. Hell, if I were in Conroy’s shoes, I might be pushing for more. Maybe the Flames ask should include Johnson (Flames might have to add) Lindholm (retained to make it work) + Dube / Johnson + Sillinger + Roslovic/Boqvist?

Lindholm to the BJ’s makes almost too much sense in my mind.

Sillinger made the NHL at 18 where Coronato hasn’t made the NHL yet. Teams typically do not give up on high picks after 2 years and we won’t see a recent high pick + a 1st from a team who at best is on the bubble and at worst would be picking top 3 giving up a 1st on top of that to get a rental player. So far Lindholm has been terrible so it is not like he is increasing his value like Horvat did last year pacing for more than 50 goals when his name started being floated in trade.

It all depends and where the Jackets think they can do this year. They could risk it and see if Lindy makes it to a UFA and get him for free next year as this could easily be a transition year coming off a bottom 3 finish.

To suggest they can get Johnson and Sillinger for Lindy and Dube is setting yourself up for massive disappointment. I hope you are right but I think you are overrating the Jackets desire to speed up their rebuild and how much Lindholm is worth with a $9.3M ask for extension as he is about to turn 29

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sillinger made the NHL at 18 where Coronato hasn’t made the NHL yet. Teams typically do not give up on high picks after 2 years and we won’t see a recent high pick + a 1st from a team who at best is on the bubble and at worst would be picking top 3 giving up a 1st on top of that to get a rental player. So far Lindholm has been terrible so it is not like he is increasing his value like Horvat did last year pacing for more than 50 goals when his name started being floated in trade.

It all depends and where the Jackets think they can do this year. They could risk it and see if Lindy makes it to a UFA and get him for free next year as this could easily be a transition year coming off a bottom 3 finish.

To suggest they can get Johnson and Sillinger for Lindy and Dube is setting yourself up for massive disappointment. I hope you are right but I think you are overrating the Jackets desire to speed up their rebuild and how much Lindholm is worth with a $9.3M ask for extension as he is about to turn 29

I would add that the only slim chance of getting one of those 2 players would be with a lindholm extension. Sorry don’t see Columbus as a place that lindholm would sign with without spending time with the organization. They are not Vegas and Tampa. The longer this goes the more likely hood is flames are going to be getting rental prices. Those normally include 1st round picks in the 20-30 range and not top notch prospects.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

It’s not huska. It’s the players. Time to stop blaming coaches. Poorly constructed team. Scott bowman couldn’t do much better with this group.

It's a top to bottom issue on the team.

The Flames need to embrace the way the game is played and they really haven't. You see it in the coaching hires.

That one season with Peters was fun but Colorado was a deeper and faster team and they reverted back to the same old style.

The focus needs to get away from playing for corsi stats. I think this was a Treliving thing that he brought here.

Speed and skill should be the primary focus and allowing players to play with thaf speed and skill.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Sillinger made the NHL at 18 where Coronato hasn’t made the NHL yet. Teams typically do not give up on high picks after 2 years and we won’t see a recent high pick + a 1st from a team who at best is on the bubble and at worst would be picking top 3 giving up a 1st on top of that to get a rental player. So far Lindholm has been terrible so it is not like he is increasing his value like Horvat did last year pacing for more than 50 goals when his name started being floated in trade.

It all depends and where the Jackets think they can do this year. They could risk it and see if Lindy makes it to a UFA and get him for free next year as this could easily be a transition year coming off a bottom 3 finish.

To suggest they can get Johnson and Sillinger for Lindy and Dube is setting yourself up for massive disappointment. I hope you are right but I think you are overrating the Jackets desire to speed up their rebuild and how much Lindholm is worth with a $9.3M ask for extension as he is about to turn 29

I would bet the Jackets will put more stock in the 0.94 points per game playing with Gaudreau Lindolm put up vs the last 90 games.

Also, what’s the plan for Columbus? Because it doesn’t seem to be working out so well there either. Stockpiling 19 year olds ain’t cutting it. They need a 1C to compliment their existing youth. I suspect patience has worn thin and they’re not getting a 1C for Boone Jenner, Eric Gudbransdon and a third.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's a top to bottom issue on the team.

The Flames need to embrace the way the game is played and they really haven't. You see it in the coaching hires.

That one season with Peters was fun but Colorado was a deeper and faster team and they reverted back to the same old style.

The focus needs to get away from playing for corsi stats. I think this was a Treliving thing that he brought here.

Speed and skill should be the primary focus and allowing players to play with thaf speed and skill.

I have faith Conroy (and iginla) will help steer the organization towards this, one way or another.

[memphusk]

Add strength to that list. Need players that are hard to play against.