Friedman's Nov 1st 32 thoughts update on Flames

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Oesterle

ha! bingo.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by D as in David

In that case, absolutely no complaining allowed on the return.

1st + prospect is the baseline for me. Anything more and I'd happy and anything less I'd be disappointed. I am hoping Vancouver overpays for Tanev as well haha

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

1st + prospect is the baseline for me. Anything more and I'd happy and anything less I'd be disappointed. I am hoping Vancouver overpays for Tanev as well haha

Lets send him to the Krack to play with his brother.. Better yet, lets trade him for his brother!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would add Mangiapane to the list, but Weegar and Andersson are the guys you keep. You have to ice a team, and they are the guys you want to be teaching the young additions how to play defense in the NHL.

Those are the only two NHLers you have signed on the backend next year. We are not icing an AHL team or a team entirely made up of waiver pickups.

They are lock solid to be on the team next year.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yeah that's not really how this works. If they trade both for a second round pick, I will be disappointed.

I don't think that will be the case though.

If the Flames can't get good value at 50% retained while taking on another $2.5M in salary to make it work for the acquiring team, criticism is deserved.

Because you're risk averse, you're suggesting they should trade when trade values are low but expect to get good value anyway?

"If the Flames can't get good value at 50% retained while taking on another $2.5M in salary to make it work for the acquiring team, c̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶d̶ ..." wait until there is a good value trade to be made.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The only ones more happy to see Hanifin sign for $60M would be Oiler fans because Draisaitl and McDavid would own him for close to another decade.

Are Oiler fans still going to be cheering for McDrai after they bail when their contracts are up?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But man Conroy is going to have some work to do just to ice an NHL calibre back end next year. We think the team is bad right now, Subtract Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov and yikes. IMO no real NHL ready players in the system, but a couple of intriguing prospects. He will have to overpay a couple of vets on short term deals IMO just to ice a team that doesn't get run over every night.

Yeah, the D depth-chart looks grim in 2024/25

Weegar/Anderson
??? / ???
Solovyov / ???

They’ll have to go to the UFA market for a 2nd pairing guy, and probably a 3rd pairing guy too. Welcome Matthew Dumba and Jani Hakanpaa.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder which player the flames were/are debating putting on waivers?

I also noticed in that article how Kent Johnson has hired a new agency firm which was the same group that represented both PLD and Seth Jones. Johnson has been scratched twice this year and I wonder if perhaps he is the target for the Flames on a Lindholm swap?


At 8 years over $7.5M per no wonder Noah was leaning towards staying. This start has been a blessing. Management can’t be fooled like they were after Johnny and Chucky left that there was a contending core left. Time to retool.


I even noticed Francis article on last nights game references a looming rebuild which 2 days ago he said they wouldn’t do

Can you link the Francis article?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Because you're risk averse, you're suggesting they should trade when trade values are low but expect to get good value anyway?

"If the Flames can't get good value at 50% retained while taking on another $2.5M in salary to make it work for the acquiring team, c̶r̶i̶t̶i̶c̶i̶s̶m̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶e̶r̶v̶e̶d̶ ..." wait until there is a good value trade to be made.

Yes, again, Lindholm and Hanifin are great value on their current contracts, and if the Flames are willing to retain salary (as they should), there is no excuse for a poor return. I won't accept "poor market" as an excuse for the value these players provide on these contracts.

It's not like moving these players is coming out of left field. We aren't rushing out and trading them at this point.

Making excuses for poor returns reminds me of the Feaster days.

[dino7c]

these players are terrible! don't sign them trade them for massive returns or else!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

these players are terrible! don't sign them trade them for massive returns or else!

who thinks these players are terrible? Who are you mocking?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

who thinks these players are terrible? Who are you mocking?

many on CP

Hanifin especially often takes a lot of harsh criticism for his play. Posters have suggested putting him in the pressbox on the 31st place team in the league.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

many on CP

Hanifin especially often takes a lot of harsh criticism for his play

Yeah because he sucks no matter how many times Timbit defends him. ZERO offensive upside, butter soft, oh but he eats up minutes!! lol

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Would Carey Price + Gallagher for Huby work for Montreal? Huby in Montreal seems right. Isn't that where Tanguay ended up as well?

I don't understand the cap/LTIR implications enough but man does this sound like a good idea.
We gotta suck for at least 2 years so the dead money on Price isnt an issue but probably is an issue for Montreal as they take steps over the next few years.


Interesting, anyone have an actual idea if this is feasible and attractive from Montreals standpoint???

[Jay Random]

Montreal is rolling in actual money; it's one of the most profitable teams in the league. Dead money doesn't bother them, as long as they can stash the contracts on LTIR. That's why the Habs were willing to take on Monahan, and could name their terms to do so. They were already planning to use LTIR money, and expected Monahan to end up there too, so from their point of view they were just buying a first-round pick for cash.

In those circumstances, I don't imagine they care all that much about unloading Price.

[UKflames]

If you are offering a player like Lindholm, who is going to drop onto most teams as a 2c, maybe even a 1a/1b, with 50% retained, you can bet your bottom dollar that teams will find a way to make it work, regardless of where they sit with or without cap space.

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Montreal is rolling in actual money; it's one of the most profitable teams in the league. Dead money doesn't bother them, as long as they can stash the contracts on LTIR. That's why the Habs were willing to take on Monahan, and could name their terms to do so. They were already planning to use LTIR money, and expected Monahan to end up there too, so from their point of view they were just buying a first-round pick for cash.

In those circumstances, I don't imagine they care all that much about unloading Price.

But don't you have to be cap compliant before the start of the season where you can move that dead money to LTIR. What I am wondering is in future years as they have these younger stars to sign and maybe the Monahans they will not be able to carry so much dead money, easy last few years to do but will create issues later on right?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

But don't you have to be cap compliant before the start of the season where you can move that dead money to LTIR.

Apparently they have modified that rule and now have a provision for opening-day LTIR. This year, several teams started off with players on LTIR and did not paper any of their players down to the AHL before doing so.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Can you link the Francis article?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ming-rebuild/?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yeah because he sucks no matter how many times Timbit defends him. ZERO offensive upside, butter soft, oh but he eats up minutes!! lol

proving my point

"but trade him for a massive haul or else!"