04-06-2021, 10:59 AM
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#841
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
The Flames made no second-round picks in 2017, 2018, or 2019.
They made just one third-round pick between 2015 and 2018.
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If you want to be fair, you’d mention they made 2 second round picks in each of 2014, 2015 and 2016.
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04-06-2021, 11:10 AM
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#842
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
The Flames made no second-round picks in 2017, 2018, or 2019.
They made just one third-round pick between 2015 and 2018.
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That's awful. I give the amateur scouting staff credit for finding some decent players given the draft picks they have had to work with but it's one thing to be a team like the Lightning giving up that amount of picks but the Flames have never been a real contender like that. It's Brad's first GM gig and he probably fell too much in love with his roster thinking they were close but in retrospect he badly miscalculated.
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04-06-2021, 11:51 AM
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#843
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
If you want to be fair, you’d mention they made 2 second round picks in each of 2014, 2015 and 2016.
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To be accurate:
Between 2014 and 2020, if you sum up all draft picks, the Flames have made
Two less 1st round picks
Two less 3rd round pick (we have an extra for 2021)
One extra 4th round pick.
Two less 5th round picks
For additional context, I will add 2013 to the numbers, because that's when Iggy was traded and "the rebuild" was started.
This is the total number of picks made in comparison to expected, per round, during all of the Flames "rebuild":
One less 2nd round pick
Two less 3rd round picks
Two less 5th round picks
One extra 7th round pick.
Basically there was never a rebuild, at least not through the draft. We only made 11 picks combined in 2014 and 2015. Treliving was fast-tracking the rebuild from the moment he got here, and this is pretty much why we're now sitting at the bottom of the standings
If you compare to for example the LA Kings, during their 2003-2009 rebuild, they had
4 extra 1st round picks
1 extra 2nd round pick
2 extra 3rd round picks
2 extra 5th round picks
2 extra 7th round pick
That's a pretty big difference.
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10-29-2023, 08:36 PM
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#845
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Franchise Player
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Flames should have shown everybody in magaement out the door this off season. The only silver lining is that lindholm and Hanifin did a wait and see on contract extension. Luckily lindholm wouldn’t budge on $9.3 million or he would be signed by now. Huska looking like a horrible coach . Don’t get me wrong these group of players are not good together but Huska is not a good coach either.
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10-29-2023, 08:39 PM
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#846
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sunnyvale
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If only they could. Tre has ****ed over this organization for the next 8 years.
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10-29-2023, 08:54 PM
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#847
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Franchise Player
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There is something seriously wrong with this team. The high profile new players from last year still aren't working out. The players who wanted out are still on the team but playing like ass. The GM and coach may be too close to the players to make significant changes. This could be a miserable miserable season.
I bought Conroy's enthusiasm of a fresh start, and a new, more exciting style of play. But that had to start day one butit didn't, and now they look utterly defeated.
The only consolation is that there may be a legitimate chance for a high pick, regardless whether they blow it up or not.
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10-29-2023, 09:00 PM
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#848
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Franchise Player
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I thought that the OEL trade was the worst trade in the post cap era (and I still do) but the Huberdeau trade seems to have the potential to be worse as the contract is that much bigger and the results have been equally disappointing. On top of that Huberdeau has a contact that they can't buy out due to his signing bonus structure. The only thing they could do would be to eat a lot of his contact and try and trade him. In general woof!
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10-29-2023, 09:03 PM
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#849
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sunnyvale
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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard
I thought that the OEL trade was the worst trade in the post cap era (and I still do) but the Huberdeau trade seems to have the potential to be worse as the contract is that much bigger and the results have been equally disappointing. On top of that Huberdeau has a contact that they can't buy out due to his signing bonus structure. The only thing they could do would be to eat a lot of his contact and try and trade him. In general woof!
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The trade was good, the signing was terrible…
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10-29-2023, 09:03 PM
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#850
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
If only they could. Tre has ****ed over this organization for the next 8 years.
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The Blackhawks are rebuilding with $9.5M Seth Jones (the first year of his 8 year contract resulted in them drafting Bedard…) and over $6M in dead salary (retained and buyouts).
The Flames can absolutely rebuild. They’re tanking by accident, and should take the opportunity to rebuild.
There are zero actual reasons why they should fight rebuilding.
Last edited by ComixZone; 10-29-2023 at 10:23 PM.
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10-29-2023, 09:07 PM
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#851
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
The Blackhawks are rebuilding with $9.5M Seth Jones (the first year deal of his 8 year contract resulted in them drafting Bedard…) and over $6M in dead salary (retained and buyouts).
The Flames can absolutely rebuild. They’re tanking by accident, and should take the opportunity to rebuild.
There are zero actual reasons why they should fight rebuilding.
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Yeah those contracts aren't much of a problem in a re-build. In fact they help force the re-build because it limits any other alternative.
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10-29-2023, 09:07 PM
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#852
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
The Blackhawks are rebuilding with $9.5M Seth Jones (the first year deal of his 8 year contract resulted in them drafting Bedard…) and over $6M in dead salary (retained and buyouts).
The Flames can absolutely rebuild. They’re tanking by accident, and should take the opportunity to rebuild.
There are zero actual reasons why they should fight rebuilding.
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Yet they will fight rebuilding because reasons. Inept franchise.
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10-29-2023, 09:29 PM
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#853
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
The trade was good, the signing was terrible…
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I sort of view them as one in the same though. Without the trade the signing obviously wouldn't have happened.
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10-29-2023, 09:38 PM
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#854
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunk
Yet they will fight rebuilding because reasons. Inept franchise.
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If the high earners continue to play poorly, there's no fighting it.
What could they do to fight it? Win hockey games somehow?
In a sick twist of fate, Treliving seems to have locked the team into a tank & rebuild anyway.
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10-29-2023, 09:39 PM
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#855
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Hire Babcock and give him access to their laptops too.
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10-29-2023, 09:47 PM
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#856
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Franchise Player
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There aren’t enough guys who hate losing on this team. Too many retirement contracts.
I’d keep the following and start working the phones to get rid of the rest:
Markstrom
Coronato
Anderson
Backlund
Zadorov
Gilbert
Mangiapane
Greer
Duehr
Lindholm
One way or another. Huberdeau has to leave.
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10-29-2023, 09:52 PM
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#857
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunk
Yet they will fight rebuilding because reasons. Inept franchise.
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They can only fight the inevitable for so long.
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10-29-2023, 10:19 PM
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#858
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Goriders
There aren’t enough guys who hate losing on this team. Too many retirement contracts.
I’d keep the following and start working the phones to get rid of the rest:
Markstrom
Coronato
Anderson
Backlund
Zadorov
Gilbert
Mangiapane
Greer
Duehr
Lindholm
One way or another. Huberdeau has to leave.
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That is a lot more guys than I would keep but I guess some could stick around to help us lose.
Markstrom but doubt he waives his NMC, Lindholm Mangiapane and Backlund are guys I definitely move.
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10-29-2023, 10:24 PM
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#859
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Franchise Player
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Andersson
Coronato
Zadorov
Duehr
Weegar
Pelletier - when healthy
Markstrom - Gets a pass but this could be our sell high moment
Yep that's about it.
Open season on anyone else
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10-29-2023, 10:25 PM
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#860
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
The Blackhawks are rebuilding with $9.5M Seth Jones (the first year deal of his 8 year contract resulted in them drafting Bedard…) and over $6M in dead salary (retained and buyouts).
The Flames can absolutely rebuild. They’re tanking by accident, and should take the opportunity to rebuild.
There are zero actual reasons why they should fight rebuilding.
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The good thing is they have a rookie GM who's unlikely to finagle players that help them now without giving up more from his end.
Hopefully the "acceptance" part of the grief that is surely going through the front office right now comes around soon.
I'm kind of curious about what Huska can accomplish if the players actually learn his system anyways. Maybe they can create a situation that Wolf could slide into without being overwhelmed every night?
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