[PGT] Flames lose Heritage Classic - Oilers 5 Flames 2

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Sutter is an objectively great coach but I don't care if you are the best coach in the world - you cant treat people (primarily support staff) the way he did and remain employed

100% the right call was made with Sutter, but it appears they may have underestimated his impact on team performance, which shaped decisions in the off season revolving around a bounce back season.

Lessons weee not learned in the Geoff Ward era (who had a better roster).

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I hope the next three years are top 3 draft picks, this team needs a #1 center and a #1 defenseman

He was sitting.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"coward won't face the media"
"liar its all BS"

not directed at you but what is he supposed to say

Now Backlund is a dude I legit feel bad for. Hoodwinked into an extension with the C as the carrot. Clearly was on the fence but signed before he could witness this unmitigated train wreck of a team. Bought into the love and rainbows pre-season show and decided “hey- why not extend?”

10/10 times with the value of foresight of these first few games, this guy is going to free agency. Like… ouch bro. Bummer.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I’m ok with losing, but POS Evander Kane running our show leaves me fuming. Zero pushback. PATHETIC.

They actually mic'ed him up just to hear

"yeah! yeah!"

"yeahhh"

What a choice.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Now Backlund is a dude I legit feel bad for. Hoodwinked into an extension with the C as the carrot. Clearly was on the fence but signed before he could witness this unmitigated train wreck of a team. Bought into the love and rainbows pre-season show and decided “hey- why not extend?”

10/10 times with the value of foresight of these first few games, this guy is going to free agency. Like… ouch bro. Bummer.

if he wants a trade he could still get one

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vedder

The big risk is that they Klingberg themselves and ultimately give up major dough relative to what the Flames are rumoured to be offering. Could be motivation enough to sign now if the offers are still open.

I think this is a bigger gamble for Lindholm in particular given his age, if his output drops again significantly.

Thankfully most hockey players are pretty dumb and over value themselves
The danger is probably in them listening to their agents who are probably screaming at them to sign

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Your obsession with Sutter is comical.

He sucked, he was toxic, he deserved to get fired. based on how toxic he was he’s lucky he didn’t get fired with cause.

Bull####.

"Toxic" is the bull####iest word in the modern age.

He called guys out for being selfish whining losers. Those selfish whining losers had their agents publicize their selfish whining losery. "I'm not having fun anymore, wah!" Or they just quit on their team entirely.

If anything this organization as it stands is toxic. It enables cry baby losers.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Your take is kinda changing...at first you were saying they should have kept him because he wanted to stay

Players like Hall were being given away in the summer

Even if its a "bad trade" it was better than signing him. Third round pick is unknown

Did I say we should have kept him? Nope. I did say he wanted to stay. Did Hall have the value that Toffloli did? Why would you even compare them? What a silly arguement.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Now Backlund is a dude I legit feel bad for. Hoodwinked into an extension with the C as the carrot. Clearly was on the fence but signed before he could witness this unmitigated train wreck of a team. Bought into the love and rainbows pre-season show and decided “hey- why not extend?”

10/10 times with the value of foresight of these first few games, this guy is going to free agency. Like… ouch bro. Bummer.

Agreed. Hopefully he asks for a trade and they grant it. Would like to see him win a cup

[dino7c]

Flames can still sign Lindholm and Hanafin

just to lower contracts with zero trade protection

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

This is much better. 31st in the league.

What support staff are we talking about here? can you name the support staff positions he treated poorly by ignoring or being condescending towards them? Are we talking about people like nutritionists and team doctors and massage therapists?

Or are we talking about the various coaches that are still around and playing a bigger role in this now dog #### team?

I heard something about even equipment staff not being fond of Sutter.

The coach issues were pretty widespread around the team. Not just the assistant coaches (including the now HC).

And yeah, we just have stupid San Jose in our way now.. They're going to be tough to beat.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

if he wants a trade he could still get one

True but would be tricky to ask for 8 games in after taking over captaincy lol

[Always Earned Never Given]

Too many players who can’t handle the Canadian market pressure on this team.
Same roster would play in the States and would be top 5 in the league.

Hopefully Flames brass start looking at a player’s make up more instead of the usual compete level, hockey IQ and skills when drafting or trading

Been a Flames fan since 72 and this year my GAF meter is the same as most of the players on this team!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m fine with the Flames tanking and entering a rebuild even if it’s one they’re basically forced to enter, but can y’all just enjoy that at least? Enjoy losing! The prattling on about Sutter and Toffoli is obnoxious, especially if you’re just going to make up reasons why the former got fired and context around the trade of the latter.

Never underestimate the pleasure some get from convincing themselves that they were 'right' and the need to tell everyone all about it.

that's the good #### right there.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

Too many players who can’t handle the Canadian market pressure on this team.
Same roster would play in the States and would be top 5 in the league.

Hopefully Flames brass start looking at a player’s make up more instead of the usual compete level, hockey IQ and skills.

Been a Flames fan since 72 ans this year my GAF meter is the same as most of the players on this collection of players!

Need your username tattooed on all the players. Big and bold.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I heard something about even equipment staff not being fond of Sutter.

The coach issues were pretty widespread around the team. Not just the assistant coaches (including the now HC).

And yeah, we just have stupid San Jose in our way now.. They're going to be tough to beat.

Feb 15 and Apr 9

Let the Calgary Dinos play.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Did I say we should have kept him? Nope. I did say he wanted to stay. Did Hall have the value that Toffloli did? Why would you even compare them? What a silly arguement.

Decent players didn't have much value this past summer, that was an example...there are more. Vegas basically gave away Reily Smith

Toffoli said give me a long term deal or trade me

we can debate the trade but its not really the hill to die on. They are still way better off than if they signed him.

The fact that he is lighting it up IN A CONTRACT YEAR playing with superstar young players isn't really relevant to the Flames at all. It maybe wasn't the perfect outcome but signing him would have been a thousand times worse.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Feb 15 and Apr 9

Let the Calgary Dinos play.

No we don't want a better effort than we witnessed tonight!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Now Backlund is a dude I legit feel bad for. Hoodwinked into an extension with the C as the carrot. Clearly was on the fence but signed before he could witness this unmitigated train wreck of a team. Bought into the love and rainbows pre-season show and decided “hey- why not extend?”

10/10 times with the value of foresight of these first few games, this guy is going to free agency. Like… ouch bro. Bummer.

Hoodwinked by who? Some information was withheld from him?

[1qqaaz]

I think this is the first time the Flames have ever been as low as 31st in the league this deep into the season.