[PGT] Flames lose Heritage Classic - Oilers 5 Flames 2

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Seems like Sutter was pretty smart not naming Backlund captain last year. What has he done exactly? Zero goals so far this year and didn't even face the media after the last dud. This is the guy leading the charge?

If there's one thing this team should not be doing any more of for the foreseeable future it's signing players to multi-year deals. Every time they do look what happens...

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I’m probably just crabby about the Flames. Sorry.

You're still getting mad about the losses?

Man I don't even care any more, because there's no way they'll get themselves back above .500 let alone compete for playoffs with how inept they are offensively. And defensively they're nowhere near dedicated enough from all 5 skaters to win games the Nashville way (2-1, 3-2..).

I'm just fascinated by this colossal drop off from guys that used to be quality NHLers and seeing how long these guys can get away with stealing money for leisurely skates.

The veteran group are basically con artists. They say everything they need to, then go out and do nothing that resembles what they say they need to do.

[Jimdon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So you want the Flames to be slightly better like last year? and be locked into Toffoli for 4 years or more?

yeah I would prefer a 3rd. Anyone with any sense would.

Anyone with any sense would probably say that trading your leading scorer for a 3rd rounder and a player you could probably pick up on waivers this year is embarrassing.

[dino7c]

If they tried hard from the start and not the midway point of the second period it might have been a game

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Seems like Sutter was pretty smart not naming Backlund captain last year. What has he done exactly? Zero goals so far this year and didn't even face the media after the last dud. This is the guy leading the charge?

For him and Huberdeau it's the same thing. Can't handle the pressure of being "the guy".

Not going to paint Sutter as a genius or anything, but yeah Backlund needed a bone to chase and keeping the C just out of reach was at least bringing the beast out of him on a pretty regular basis.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Anyone with any sense would probably say that trading your leading scorer for a 3rd rounder and a player you could probably pick up on waivers this year is embarrassing.

Another win from our pro scouts. We need to take a look at those guys.

[sss1]

Huberdeau needs a new psychologist

[neo45]

Thank god Sutter’s mouth got him fired or he would have this team playing on track to draft 16th overall


Seriously, this is the best thing to happen

[GullFoss]

In hind sight, the hate on Sutter was really just a few of the players looking outwards rather than inwards to explain their piss poor play and inability to meet expectations. And rather than give the players tough love, some in the organization just enabled the players in blaming Sutter for their personal failings. It's a story as old as time, which makes it so incredible that so many people fell for it.

"But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!" - Rocky Balboa

It's such an overplayed trope that Sylvester Stallone made 5 or 6 or 7 movies out of it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Anyone with any sense would probably say that trading your leading scorer for a 3rd rounder and a player you could probably pick up on waivers this year is embarrassing.

Honestly what would you rather have RIGHT NOW

Toffoli signed for 4 years at 6M/Year

or

3rd Round pick

You have to pick one. I bet 90% of Flames fans take the pick

[Icon]

Can we just invite Daryl into the room to yell at them for old times sake? I don't think it will help or change anything, but would just be nice to know at least someone yelled at them

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sss1

Huberdeau needs a new psychologist

He just needs a coach and a system that isn’t built to minimize individual skill. Flames are so afraid of their lack of skill, that their coaching eliminates what little skill they do have.

…that said, Huberdeau sucks (just like the coaching).

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Seems like Sutter was pretty smart not naming Backlund captain last year. What has he done exactly? Zero goals so far this year and didn't even face the media after the last dud. This is the guy leading the charge?

Yeah, I think it is pretty clear at this point that Sutter was the only one in this disaster of an organization who could see the problem. The rest of them were deluding themselves into believing Sutter was the problem. Reality is a bitch.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by neo45

Thank god Sutter’s mouth got him fired or he would have this team playing on track to draft 16th overall


Seriously, this is the best thing to happen

Conroy won't "wizard" any hockey trades either, so this team is destined for a high pick.

Even though it's not what it was aiming for, that's exactly what's going to happen.

Hallelujah. We'll get some talent soon.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

In hind sight, the hate on Sutter was really just a few of the players looking outwards rather than inwards to explain their piss poor play and inability to meet expectations. And rather than give the players tough love, some in the organization just enabled the players in blaming Sutter for their personal failings. It's a story as old as time, which makes it so incredible that so many people fell for it.

"But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain’t where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain’t you! You’re better than that!" - Rocky Balboa

It's such an overplayed trope that Sylvester Stallone made 5 or 6 or 7 movies out of it.

Your obsession with Sutter is comical.

He sucked, he was toxic, he deserved to get fired. based on how toxic he was he’s lucky he didn’t get fired with cause.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Summer of 2022, the summer that screwed the Flames for the next 10 years.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yeah, I think it is pretty clear at this point that Sutter was the only one in this disaster of an organization who could see the problem. The rest of them were deluding themselves into believing Sutter was the problem. Reality is a bitch.

Another classic. The "Everyone hates The Cassandra" trope.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Honestly what would you rather have RIGHT NOW

Toffoli signed for 4 years at 6M/Year

or

3rd Round pick

You have to pick one. I bet 90% of Flames fans take the pick

Yep, I take the pick.

Not having Toffoli on the roster directly improves the value of all of the Calgary Flames draft picks in 2024, so that’s cool.

Still, that Toffoli trade sucked and was stupid.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Your obsession with Sutter is comical.

He sucked, he was toxic, he deserved to get fired. based on how toxic he was he’s lucky he didn’t get fired with cause.

93 points vs 45 point pace.

What else explains the drop?

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Those guys have to agree
Why would they want to be part of this
For several reasons the terrible start is the best thing to happen

The big risk is that they Klingberg themselves and ultimately give up major dough relative to what the Flames are rumoured to be offering. Could be motivation enough to sign now if the offers are still open.

I think this is a bigger gamble for Lindholm in particular given his age, if his output drops again significantly.