Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Pakistan's Ambassador to the UN, on Canada's amendment after Canada abstained from the vote on the UNGA resolution calling for immediate and sustained humanitarian truce in the Middle East.

It is amazing that when my friend from Canada insists on naming the organization, Hamas, that he does not feel the need for the equity and balance and fairness, for which Canada is so well known. He does not feel the need to name Israel for killing 7,000 Palestinians and injuring 17,000. Only Hamas. Is this balance? He says, "What needs to be named, has to be named." We believe Israel needs to be named, it you are fair. If you are equitable. If you are just. You will blame one side, and not the other.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718041394466394188

[WCW Nitro]

This is all you need to know about what the Israeli intentions are, and this was two weeks before the attack.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/poli...article-760189

Prime Minister Netanyahu is under fire on social media for holding up a map at the United Nations General Assembly plenum on Friday that placed the West Bank and Gaza within the boundaries of sovereign Israel.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by activeStick

There's no chance UN organizations would have their workers in buildings with Hamas.

I have no idea obviously, but its quite possible that Hamas had significant leadership/munitions/etc underneath that spot in their tunnel system, that the UN or anyone there would have been unaware of.

Its what the IDF said they were going to target.

[WCW Nitro]

"Elon Musk said SpaceX’s Starlink satellite communications network would support internet connectivity for internationally recognized relief organizations in the besieged enclave.

In response, Israel’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi said that the government “will use all means at its disposal to fight this"

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/28/world...-saturday-intl

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Leondros

This is going to get really bad quickly - worse than it already was. Israel really needs to look itself in the mirror because what it’s doing is not working. They voted in an extremist who is going to light this whole tinder box. Palestine needs to crack down internally on Hamas and take their destiny in their own hands. Extremism on both sides is just going to lead to more deaths for both. More hate is going to perpetuate more hate. It’s sickening.

Hamas is both utterly in charge of Gaza, their Government, and massively supported, lets be honest the vast majority of Gazans saw the events of 2 weeks ago as a good thing, a victory of sorts and were happy about them, if they got rid of Hamas it would be to replace it with something worse.

I don't know why but there is a almost universal tendency in the middle east for barbarous undemocratic regimes to be supported by one faith or tribe at the murderous expense of some other faith or tribe with little question or check on what ever repugnant method they use to maintain that control.
The idea that basically all Palestinians are repelled by violence and just normal folks like us aching for a regular Government that will negotiate a peaceful end to all of this is absurd, the reason Hamas exists is because the PLO was essentially becoming a normal Government and giving up it's 'kill all the Jews' philosophy and was starting to negotiate peace, if Hamas renounced violence tomorrow and declared Israel had the right to exist they would be replaced by some ISIS like bunch of thugs in a heartbeat.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Hamas is both utterly in charge of Gaza, their Government, and massively supported, lets be honest the vast majority of Gazans saw the events of 2 weeks ago as a good thing, a victory of sorts and were happy about them, if they got rid of Hamas it would be to replace it with something worse.

I don't know why but there is a almost universal tendency in the middle east for barbarous undemocratic regimes to be supported by one faith or tribe at the murderous expense of some other faith or tribe with little question or check on what ever repugnant method they use to maintain that control.
The idea that basically all Palestinians are repelled by violence and just normal folks like us aching for a regular Government that will negotiate a peaceful end to all of this is absurd, the reason Hamas exists is because the PLO was essentially becoming a normal Government and giving up it's 'kill all the Jews' philosophy and was starting to negotiate peace, if Hamas renounced violence tomorrow and declared Israel had the right to exist they would be replaced by some ISIS like bunch of thugs in a heartbeat.

Ah, we have reached the inevitable "they're different than us and they celebrate violence " phase of the conflict.

[Snuffleupagus]

It's too bad Hamas doesn't know history, the Japanese surprise attack on pearl harbour killed 2400 Americans sparking a war that cost the Japanese over 3 million lives with 800.000 being civilians.

It breaks my heart that innocent people are dying but lets face facts, it's expected.

What is Israel supposed to do, wait for a savage group like Hamas to get their hands on a nuclear weapon?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by zunie75

You should also feel bad for the Muslim children who would be forced into this situation, no?

I do. I feel bad for both sides. I don't blame Israel for their suffering though. Their blood is on the hands of Hamas and the civilians that support them.

My hope is that once Hamas is destroyed, that the children can be rehabilitated and that future generations won't be raised to be meat soldiers for the wealthy.

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Russians love to dress their kids up like the Great Patriotic War, I don't think we would entertain fighting them. There's so much hysterical propaganda surrounding this conflict, just this morning saw that Pallywood is a thing.

This stuff is gross.

With Gazans, it isn't just harmless cosplay. They work it into their education and start training them to be fighters at very early ages.

This article is from 2016 and goes into detail about Hamas educational programs that teach them to be militants for the Hamas cause. Based on when those photos were taken, it is quite possible that some of the kids in those photos grew up to be some of the terrorists that attacked Israel on October 7th.

https://www.businessinsider.com/hama...er-camp-2016-8

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Ah, we have reached the inevitable "they're different than us and they celebrate violence " phase of the conflict.

I don't know who the 'they' is but for what ever reason the middle east is devoid of democratic regimes and has for the last 50 years or so been prone to horrific internecine violence, it wasn't always like this but it is now, and again I am not suggesting anyone celebrates violence but they accept it as a normal part of politics

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's too bad Hamas doesn't know history, the Japanese surprise attack on pearl harbour killed 2400 Americans sparking a war that cost the Japanese over 3 million lives with 800.000 being civilians.

It breaks my heart that innocent people are dying but lets face facts, it's expected.

What is Israel supposed to do, wait for a savage group like Hamas to get their hands on a nuclear weapon?

...and that was a military attack on military targets without hostages...

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Ah, we have reached the inevitable "they're different than us and they celebrate violence " phase of the conflict.

oh and to be clear, even if every Gazan supports Hamas and was wholly behind the attack 3 weeks ago it doesnt change Israel's legal obligation to try and minimize civilian casualties.

It does though mean ending the cycle of violence is almost impossible no matter what happens

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718403832240034067

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by tkflames

...and that was a military attack on military targets without hostages...

Except that it was an attack without a declaration of war, which could be defined as an illegal terror attack.


Don't know why I put this here, but whatever.

[activeStick]

The names of the 2,913 children killed by Israel since a October 7. Gut-wrenching and absolutely brutal.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1718287003769614735

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Ah, we have reached the inevitable "they're different than us and they celebrate violence " phase of the conflict.

Is it wrong to highlight differences in social attitudes and belief structures. I took it more to say that their countries are generally run by strong men who promote and perpetuate violence. I don't think that it is a Muslim thing but rather a byproduct of when religion and politics become intertwined, similar to the United States with their far rights bizarre relationship with the Catholicism

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Is it wrong to highlight differences in social attitudes and belief structures. I took it more to say that their countries are generally run by strong men who promote and perpetuate violence. I don't think that it is a Muslim thing but rather a byproduct of when religion and politics become intertwined, similar to the United States with their far rights bizarre relationship with the Catholicism

The far right in U.S. doesn't really have any relationship with Catholicism. I think you mean evangelical protestants.

[FlamesAddiction]

A video of Hamas preparing child soldiers from July of this year:

https://www.memri.org/tv/children-ha...ring-jerusalem

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

oh and to be clear, even if every Gazan supports Hamas and was wholly behind the attack 3 weeks ago it doesnt change Israel's legal obligation to try and minimize civilian casualties.

It does though mean ending the cycle of violence is almost impossible no matter what happens

Fantasy world, once the declaration of war is made the rules mean nothing, history proves this, recently, the allies bombing Germany into submission, Americans fire bombing Tokyo and then nuking them and now Russia in Ukraine.

Israel dropped pamphlets to tell Palestinians to get out of the way, if they're still there the ugly part of war will happen, always has.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Israel dropped pamphlets to tell Palestinians to get out of the way, if they're still there the ugly part of war will happen, always has.

Where, do tell, are Palestinian non-combatants supposed to evacuate to?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Where, do tell, are Palestinian non-combatants supposed to evacuate to?

Start with 20 blocks from where the pamphlets fell...and keep moving