2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[Vinny01]

The only immediate thing I can think of the team doing is calling up a handful of prospects and sit some veterans. Get Zary up here, Klapka, and Wolf. Really too bad Pelletier and Poirier are injured.

[Flames1217]

Jumping on team rebuild.

Mix isn't right, time to ship out as much as possible and hope you strike gold in some of the upcoming drafts.

[dustygoon]

Add: Sean Monahan MTL - C
Drop: Nazem Kadri CGY - C

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[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Jumping on team rebuild.

Mix isn't right, time to ship out as much as possible and hope you strike gold in some of the upcoming drafts.

I think you’re right. But man… felt like I have said this for 80% of the Flames seasons in my 30 years as a fan.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I think you’re right. But man… felt like I have said this for 80% of the Flames seasons in my 30 years as a fan.

Upper management has consistently wanted to compete but hasn't invested in the future enough to get there.

Impatience has gotten the franchise to where it is today and where it has been for the majority of it's existence.

It's frustrating.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The only immediate thing I can think of the team doing is calling up a handful of prospects and sit some veterans. Get Zary up here, Klapka, and Wolf. Really too bad Pelletier and Poirier are injured.

Calgary doesn't have that type of cap space. They need to send someone down to bring up players.

Sitting veterans does not open up space.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary doesn't have that type of cap space. They need to send someone down to bring up players.

Sitting veterans does not open up space.

They have the ability to move some guys to LTIR to make it work

[NewFan]

Trade this year - Hanifin, Lindholm, Vladar, Weegar, Kadri /with half salary/ for prospects and picks.
Resign Tanev and Zadorov if they agree to stay 3-4 years.
Next year - Trade Mangiapane, Backlund, Markstrom and Huberdeau /with half salary/.
Keep Ruzicka, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Zary, Andersson and most of D prospects and Wolf.
Year 3-4 starts compete for playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Trade this year - Hanifin, Lindholm, Vladar, Weegar, Kadri /with half salary/ for prospects and picks.
Resign Tanev and Zadorov if they agree to stay 3-4 years.
Next year - Trade Mangiapane, Backlund, Markstrom and Huberdeau /with half salary/.
Keep Ruzicka, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Zary, Andersson and most of D prospects and Wolf.
Year 3-4 starts compete for playoffs.

I am not saying don't do those things. But if done, they aren't competing for the playoffs in 3 to 4 years. Try 7 to 8.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am not saying don't do those things. But if done, they aren't competing for the playoffs in 3 to 4 years. Try 7 to 8.

Not if Wolf turns into an elite goalie. They would be able to make it sooner especially if they can land some franchise level players in the draft the next couple of years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by NewFan

Trade this year - Hanifin, Lindholm, Vladar, Weegar, Kadri /with half salary/ for prospects and picks.
Resign Tanev and Zadorov if they agree to stay 3-4 years.
Next year - Trade Mangiapane, Backlund, Markstrom and Huberdeau /with half salary/.
Keep Ruzicka, Coronato, Pelletier, Duehr, Zary, Andersson and most of D prospects and Wolf.
Year 3-4 starts compete for playoffs.

Far more likely it is Years 7-9.
I don't know why people think a re-build will only take a few years.

[phibar]

The worst thing they can do now is to sign their UFAs. Lindholm isn't worth the speculated contract. Not even close. Hanafin is okay at a decent number, but not at a Canadian market premium.right now the most valuable thing the flames need is draft picks and cap space.

[BrownDrake]

You have to be bad for awhile to be good.


Also doesn't mean you can be bad and automatically be good, need to hit on your top 10 picks. Picking in the the top 3 does have a higher history of success (Pit, Col, Chi, Was).


You also have to be smart with your money and avoid bad UFA signings and lock up your younger stars to longer term deals, bridge deals seem to hurt now or later in most cases and are a GM favourite for the teams that have some short term success and then always spend every last cent "trying to put you over the top" but comes at the expense of signing your young players or showing your farm and draft prospects this is an organization that gets it. All of these items Calgary has been a pioneer in and its showing the damage.



Just to be clear, saying you want to be mediocre and taking the chance that you hit on your picks in the 15 to 25 range is definitely a very low probability - we've got a fabulous case history in that.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am not saying don't do those things. But if done, they aren't competing for the playoffs in 3 to 4 years. Try 7 to 8.

Yup scorched earth rebuilds looking at minimum 6-8 year turn around. Maybe sniffing playoffs before that, but probably minimum 6-8 years to 'peak'

[bax]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Yup scorched earth rebuilds looking at minimum 6-8 year turn around. Maybe sniffing playoffs before that, but probably minimum 6-8 years to 'peak'

What’s the alternative though?

Sucking for 6-8 years anyways and then having nothing to show for it?

Team just needs to acquire picks and invest in amateur scouting and analytics.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Far more likely it is Years 7-9.
I don't know why people think a re-build will only take a few years.

People like to think if the Flames rebuild it will set them on this course for a meteoric rise to greatness. One or two years of tearing it down and near immediate results 1-2 years after that. Not impossible but highly unlikely.

Mistakes will be made along the way. You’re also at the mercy of the lottery system. Look at Detroit or Arizona. How long and how bad have both been? Do either of them have a bonafide elite player? Logan Cooley, maybe? Moritz Sieder, maybe? What if the Fkames do win a lottery in a year where the consensus number one is an RNH, or a Tayler Hall, or an Alexis Lafrienner?

I’m not opposed to a rebuild but I can also understand the Flames hesitancy in willfully doing so. There’s no gaurantee of anything. You could be entering a decade of darkness (believe that’s what the Oilers refer to those long rebuild). 3-4 year rebuilds are the rare exception, not the norm. Minimum 6 would be a reasonable expectation. 7 or 8 you might start getting impatient. Longer than that, you’re Buffalo/Edmonton/Arizona. Detroit is an interesting comparison. Been in their new arena for 6 years now and haven’t seen a single playoff game. This is despite having a supposed genius as their GM since 2019.

Rebuilds aren’t easy. I hope the Flames do it because I think we’re nearing the point of not really having much of an option. There’s a rotten smell around this team. On paper they’re not exciting and the actual product is worse. You can’t make the playoffs in November but you can certainly miss them. I only hope Edwards/Bean etc. come to terms with this sooner than later.

I’m all for it but I think people’s expectations need to be held in check.

[Iniggywetrust]

I don’t think this team needs to rebuild, nor do I think this management will let that happen. Rebuilds don’t always work, and you end up just being bad for years. Especially if you don’t hit a Crosby, Ovechkin, Mcdavid draft year.

We have some good pieces but the mix is off. If we can move out our UFAs for some good young pieces, we may be able to do a quicker retool, ala NYR.

Also, I hated the Kadri signing from day one and even I thought we might get more than half a good season.

[CroCop]

Anyone thinking this is rock bottom…hang on. No doubt we are spiralling down but rock bottom is still aways away. Imagine Montreal selecting a Franchise type player with our pick after next season that will probably be as bad as it gets. Hope we’re proactive enough and try and get ahead of it by bottoming out in the standings this season and get at least a top pick and collect as many draft picks as possible for Anyone who can fetch one. But ya even if it starts now the Flames are likely 6-8 years out from being a team in contention and that is if picks go their way. Absolutely need a couple top 3 guys along the way.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Anyone thinking this is rock bottom…hang on. No doubt we are spiralling down but rock bottom is still aways away. Imagine Montreal selecting a Franchise type player with our pick after next season that will probably be as bad as it gets. Hope we’re proactive enough and try and get ahead of it by bottoming out in the standings this season and get at least a top pick and collect as many draft picks as possible for Anyone who can fetch one. But ya even if it starts now the Flames are likely 6-8 years out from being a team in contention and that is if picks go their way. Absolutely need a couple top 3 guys along the way.

I hope they do. Who cares about any Eastern team? The probability of the Flames winning will have nothing to do with whether or not the Canadiens hit on that pick. The ship sailed the day Treliving sent the pick and Monahan over there.

Think about the inverse, if the pick busts, or they forfeit it due to an Arizona-style combine violation, is that as good as it gets?

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I hope they do. Who cares about any Eastern team? The probability of the Flames winning will have nothing to do with whether or not the Canadiens hit on that pick. The ship sailed the day Treliving sent the pick and Monahan over there.

Think about the inverse, if the pick busts, or they forfeit it due to an Arizona-style combine violation, is that as good as it gets?

It would still hurt and how they got there is what would hurt the most.