10-26-2023, 10:18 PM
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#181
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Yes, the same as last year which I knew would happen back in May.
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Are you done patting yourself on the back yet?
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10-26-2023, 10:19 PM
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#182
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
No, if this is a rebuild we'd have traded players for picks and prospects and utilized salary retention and salary cap space to produce high value returns.
Instead, they very openly had their sights set on the playoffs. Made a terrible trade focused on now/short term future.
Intention matters.
Act accordingly now and maximize our own draft picks and add to the future.
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They can still do that. It's not like they had a 2 week window and now they're forever stuck with every player and forced to re-sign them.
It's not like they're not allowed to trade Lindholm. Or Hanifin. Or Tanev at deadline, etc...
Not sure what you're on about.
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10-26-2023, 10:19 PM
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#183
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
True. Not sure it can get worse though.
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...I don't think we want any form of improvement right now.
Keep doing what you're doing Flames. We're getting the results we need.
Is Huska a lame duck coach that we can ride for two years of a rebuild to maximize our own draft picks? Sounds good to me. Ride Huska for 2 years, then go hire Tanguay when you've drafted some actual talent and it's getting ready to play in the NHL.
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10-26-2023, 10:19 PM
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#184
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I fell asleep and forgot to watch the game. Sounds like me and the Flames had the same idea. Cripes.
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10-26-2023, 10:20 PM
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#185
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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The thing I don't get with Huberdeau is that he looked pretty good in the first couple of games this season. Not amazing by any stretch, but pretty good to the point I was starting to believe again. Then just nothing after that. Although I will take invisible over turnover machine.
He looked totally uninterested the last couple of games.
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10-26-2023, 10:20 PM
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#186
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Franchise Player
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Flames obviously aren't just giving Lindholm whatever he wants or he would have signed it
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10-26-2023, 10:20 PM
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#187
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
Those 2014-2017 Avs teams tanked with:
MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Rantanen
If we were losing with those calibre players at that stage of their career, people here would be losing their minds.
Bottom line is that rebuilds have no guarantee other than losing a bunch of games. There's no 'oh we'll rebuild the awesome way that gets us Super Player X quickly and then we'll turn on our Top Tier Team playing style'
Time to get comfortable and watch this team struggle, persevere, and hopefully develop a playing style. Oh... and lose games.
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In 2016-17 MacKinnon was 21, Rantanen 19, Landeskog 23 and Duchene 25... Not like they were in their prime yet.
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10-26-2023, 10:21 PM
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#188
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Underground
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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja
Loses with a rebuilding team at least has the hope that the team will get better in time. Loses with a middling team that isn’t committing to a rebuild doesn’t have the optimism of things getting better attached to it
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What does 'committing to a rebuild' mean? By losing games, they're de facto rebuilding and going higher and higher in the next draft. Doesn't matter if they put a sign out that says 'Rebuild in progress'... if they have the worst record in the league, they get the highest chance at #1 pick regardless of their in-season intent.
It's best to be clear about what's going on. The label doesn't matter.
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10-26-2023, 10:21 PM
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#189
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
They can still do that. It's not like they had a 2 week window and now they're forever stuck with every player and forced to re-sign them.
It's not like they're not allowed to trade Lindholm. Or Hanifin. Or Tanev at deadline, etc...
Not sure what you're on about.
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Talking about intention.
The Flames believed they were a good team that was playoff bound. That level of incorrect assessment is not a good indicator.
There seems to be a "oh you guys wanted a rebuild and now you're complaining because we lost" - this team actively, openly said they were not rebuilding. What we're seeing now is incompetence, not forward thinking.
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10-26-2023, 10:21 PM
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#190
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by troutman
Are you done slapping yourself on the back yet?
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No. Not after all the vitriol I took in that thread I quoted from. After that you're damn right I'm going to throw it down the throats of those who torched me.
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10-26-2023, 10:21 PM
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#191
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The thing I don't get with Huberdeau is that he looked pretty good in the first couple of games this season. Not amazing by any stretch, but pretty good to the point I was starting to believe again. Then just nothing after that. Although I will take invisible over turnover machine.
He looked totally uninterested the last couple of games.
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Part of it is that he has no one to pass to that can score
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10-26-2023, 10:22 PM
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#192
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Talking about intention.
The Flames believed they were a good team that was playoff bound. That level of incorrect assessment is not a good indicator.
There seems to be a "oh you guys wanted a rebuild and now you're complaining because we lost" - this team actively, openly said they were not rebuilding. What we're seeing now is incompetence, not forward thinking.
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Pretty hard to trade any of these guys until the deadline. Nobody has cap
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10-26-2023, 10:23 PM
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#193
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Pretty hard to trade any of these guys until the deadline
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Plenty of other teams have traded players with bigger salary caps before the deadline.
Flames have run out of excuses.
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10-26-2023, 10:23 PM
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#194
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Franchise Player
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We would be better off with Darryl and Toffoli than we are now with Huska, Backs, Lindholm and Hanafin.
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10-26-2023, 10:24 PM
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#195
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#1 Goaltender
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The media is always going on about teams being in a playoff position by American Thanksgiving. I’m wondering whether the Flames are going to score again before American Thanksgiving.
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10-26-2023, 10:24 PM
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#196
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DinnerDog
In 2016-17 MacKinnon was 21, Rantanen 19, Landeskog 23 and Duchene 25... Not like they were in their prime yet.
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So the seasons they sucked bad enough to get those guys were years prior
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10-26-2023, 10:24 PM
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#197
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Franchise Player
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The pecking order in NHL rooms is largely about the dollar bills. Signing two guys who had never played a game for the team to huge contracts seems to have destroyed whatever chemistry this team had.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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10-26-2023, 10:25 PM
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#198
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
No. Not after all the vitriol I took in that thread I quoted from. After that you're damn right I'm going to throw it down the throats of those who torched me.
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Sensitive much?
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10-26-2023, 10:25 PM
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#199
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
Part of it is that he has no one to pass to that can score
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But his passes don't even get through most of the time. He barely even touched the puck the last couple of games. Hard to make good passes if he can't even get possession of the puck.
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10-26-2023, 10:25 PM
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#200
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Plenty of other teams have traded players with bigger salary caps before the deadline.
Flames have run out of excuses.
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Like who? returns in the summer were brutal
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