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ComixZone · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

No, if this is a rebuild we'd have traded players for picks and prospects and utilized salary retention and salary cap space to produce high value returns.

Instead, they very openly had their sights set on the playoffs. Made a terrible trade focused on now/short term future.

Intention matters.

Act accordingly now and maximize our own draft picks and add to the future.

Jason14h · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

What are you taking about

Being an old , overpaid , slow, max cap no flexibility team is nothing like a rebuilding team

People can accept young players making mistakes and trying

This is beyond pathetic

Goriders · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol Oilers booed off the ice too

That game sunday should be named “the toilet bowl”

dissentowner · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

He has a system?

It’s hard to tell from these games

Yes, the same as last year which I knew would happen back in May.

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Francis on Francis Fridays has me almost changing my mind about Conroy being the right guy with his Huska speculation as coach. If Ryan Huska becomes the next head coach that would be an epic disaster. He would run the same terrible system Sutter just ran. I might take a break from this team if that nightmare ever transpired.

AustinL_NHL · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lol This Sutter vs Huberdeau/Kadri narrative you keep pushing is hilarious.

Sutter is a great coach on ice, and it looks like his systems were the only thing keeping the team competitive, but that's not why he was fired.

He was fired because he toxic around the organization and not just Kadri and Huberdeau.

He was fired because Sutter was a jerk to everyone including rookies playing their first NHL games.

He was fired because players who were long term Flames like Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, and many others also seemed to want out of Calgary if Sutter was still coach.

And he was fired because even the new GM said he was miserable to be around.

And in the end he's a big part to blame for where this organization is because Tkachuk (for sure) and Gaudreau (at least partially) both left at least in part because Sutter was coach.

Even if the team is worse on ice now it was still the right move to fire Sutter.

- If all your top players want out then there is no use in having Sutter as coach because you won't be good enough to win

- And if the team isn't good enough to win then might as well not have Sutter as coach because he's going to prevent you from bottoming out

- And he refuses to play young players, so not good for a team going through a transition anyways

But sure let's make Sutter the hero when he's just as much of a reason for this organizations failures as Huberdeau and Kadri. Maybe even more so when you factor in he's a big reason those guys are even here since he was a big reason Tkachuk wanted out

Thank you.

Ferarri · 10-26-2023, 10:13 PM

Huska walking on egg shells when it comes to Huberdeau and Kadri. Talks about the team not being collectively good (which is fair) but won’t specifically criticize those two even though they are paid to be difference makers. Given the circumstances of last season it seems they are reluctant to play “bad guy” even though those two have been awful. How fragile is this team if criticism needs to be levied diplomatically?

Hockey_Ninja · 10-26-2023, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

Loses with a rebuilding team at least has the hope that the team will get better in time. Loses with a middling team that isn’t committing to a rebuild doesn’t have the optimism of things getting better attached to it

dino7c · 10-26-2023, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason14h

What are you taking about

Being an old , overpaid , slow, max cap no flexibility team is nothing like a rebuilding team

People can accept young players making mistakes and trying

This is beyond pathetic

Flames have tons of cap next season

Again you guys are talking about rebuilds years down the line

taxbuster · 10-26-2023, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Lol This Sutter vs Huberdeau/Kadri narrative you keep pushing is hilarious.

Sutter is a great coach on ice, and it looks like his systems were the only thing keeping the team competitive, but that's not why he was fired.

He was fired because he toxic around the organization and not just Kadri and Huberdeau.

He was fired because Sutter was a jerk to everyone including rookies playing their first NHL games.

He was fired because players who were long term Flames like Backlund, Lindholm, Hanifin, and many others also seemed to want out of Calgary if Sutter was still coach.

And he was fired because even the new GM said he was miserable to be around.

And in the end he's a big part to blame for where this organization is because Tkachuk (for sure) and Gaudreau (at least partially) both left at least in part because Sutter was coach.

Even if the team is worse on ice now it was still the right move to fire Sutter.

- If all your top players want out then there is no use in having Sutter as coach because you won't be good enough to win

- And if the team isn't good enough to win then might as well not have Sutter as coach because he's going to prevent you from bottoming out

- And he refuses to play young players, so not good for a team going through a transition anyways

But sure let's make Sutter the hero when he's just as much of a reason for this organizations failures as Huberdeau and Kadri. Maybe even more so when you factor in he's a big reason those guys are even here since he was a big reason Tkachuk wanted out

Green text for that last para? I don't think anyone is making DS a "hero". But someone needed some balls to tell him to tone it down and the person to do that was Tre, who didn't give a flying eff. Or Mr. Big Shot Murray ("no rebuild") Edwards. But he just did what he always does apparently...meddle and then write a cheque.

gvitaly · 10-26-2023, 10:15 PM

Game card:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1717748136385323036

I'm a little surprised at how bad Tanev was. I didn't notice it as much. The wheels have really fallen off on Tanev this year.

Z speaks to the media:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1717757007640646005

ComixZone · 10-26-2023, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, the same as last year which I knew would happen back in May.

Well, you absolutely nailed that.

Again, the approach to this season was a farce. Run back the same roster (minus your leading scorer), run back the same systems (ooooh zone defense, big whooop), and we were supposed to be excited?

Terrible work by Bean, Maloney, and Conroy. Absolutely terrible.

iamca · 10-26-2023, 10:16 PM

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dissentowner · 10-26-2023, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gvitaly

Game card:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1717748136385323036

I'm a little surprised at how bad Tanev was. I didn't notice it as much. The wheels have really fallen off on Tanev this year.

That is because playing Zone is not working. Go back to man on man D.

Flames Fan, Ph.D. · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

No you don’t loose games like this with 22M plus on the first line. Losing games during a rebuild like how the current Hawks, early Lightning or Avs teams were I’m fine with.

Those 2014-2017 Avs teams tanked with:

MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog, Rantanen

If we were losing with those calibre players at that stage of their career, people here would be losing their minds.

Bottom line is that rebuilds have no guarantee other than losing a bunch of games. There's no 'oh we'll rebuild the awesome way that gets us Super Player X quickly and then we'll turn on our Top Tier Team playing style'

Time to get comfortable and watch this team struggle, persevere, and hopefully develop a playing style. Oh... and lose games.

kukkudo · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah you have to reach the cap floor...you are talking about those teams AFTER they had high drafts not the seasons that got them those picks

You can reach the cap floor without having 10.5M tied up for 8 years. You overpay on mediocre players like Cory Perry type of players etc for a few years.

ComixZone · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is because playing Zone is not working. Go back to man on man D.

Still won't fix the offense. No skill, bad system.

Aarongavey · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames have tons of cap next season

Again you guys are talking about rebuilds years down the line

Hope they sell everyone they can from this team for picks and prospects and then take on 30 million in bad contracts for picks and prospects.

TheScorpion · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

So many people wanted a rebuild, but for some reason no one is happy in the PGTs.

This is what a rebuild looks like. You lose games with a bunch of mediocre players.

I would believe it if they weren't trying to re-sign their UFAs. Unless that's no longer going on.

taxbuster · 10-26-2023, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferarri

Huska walking on egg shells when it comes to Huberdeau and Kadri. Talks about the team not being collectively good (which is fair) but won’t specifically criticize those two even though they are paid to be difference makers. Given the circumstances of last season it seems they are reluctant to play “bad guy” even though those two have been awful. How fragile is this team if criticism needs to be levied diplomatically?

Criticism of staff from a superior should ALWAYS occur in private. I have no issue with that....as long as he does it.

dissentowner · 10-26-2023, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Still won't fix the offense. No skill, bad system.

True. Not sure it can get worse though.