[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Honestly I'm not exactly sure what Conroy was thinking here unless Flames pro scouts (not an organizational strong point) were much higher on Sharangovich than the rest of the hockey world.

Other teams were interested in Sharangovich. 25 year old forwards who have recently scored 24 goals have value.

Devils’ Sharangovich Is a Player to Watch as NHL Draft Nears
Pierre Lebrun reports the Devils are “getting a ton of calls” on Sharangovich.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-je...hl-draft-nears

And people seem to be forgetting that Toffoli wanted out when he learned he wasn’t being extended this season.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The Toffoli contract situation was sorted and the Flames didn't want to pay what he wanted to stay on for. and they traded him. Basis what the other trades were out there in the offseason I don't think there was much better available.

I was also more specifically referring to Lindholm and Hanifin. I said in this very thread that Toffoli is the one contract I would have been okay with holding onto until the deadline.

[indes]

I like Sharangovich - really want to see more of his shot. Throw him with Huberdeau and tell him to take the Bedard approach, shoot everything at the net.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Personally I feel Toffoli, Tanev, and Zadorov are the three pending UFA's that the team should have kept until the deadline as they are the exact type of pure rental players you want to add at the trade deadline as the remainder of the contracts will be easy to absorb and there's not a lot of pressure for the acquiring team to extend them. I do believe it was a miscalculation to trade him in the summer especially given the return which is quite frankly poor. Honestly I'm not exactly sure what Conroy was thinking here unless Flames pro scouts (not an organizational strong point) were much higher on Sharangovich than the rest of the hockey world.

Sharangovich is 7 games into his Flames career and he is a poor return? His last 2 games have been far better and he's at least a player that wants to get on the puck and isn't afraid to rip shots.

Too much stock is put on flipping these guys at the deadline - even a first for Toffoli this year looks like what? 25th OA....see you in 2-3 years, if at all. If the goal is to keep him and help the team this year, the difference between him and Yegor isn't going to pull this team out of the current hole it is in.

[CroCop]

I’m still fine with this trade. Toffoli requested a trade and we got a positive return for a guy on expiring contract. Good for Tyler for having a great start with the Devils and J Hughes but he gone. The Flames now need to make a bunch of more trades similar for anyone else on aging contracts they can get positive value for.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Accepting that there was only two options:

1. Keep Toffoli
2. Make this specific trade

Is a bit disingenuous. Conroy targeted what he wanted, which was a return that could help the team compete this season. It is just another example of a Calgary Flames pro scouting department having a bad read on a situation. This specific trade is bad for the Calgary Flames.

While Conroy is being praised by some for showing a patient approach with some players, he should be criticized for making an impatient poor trade on this one.

This trade makes even less sense when you look at the offensive system this year, which is no different than last year's. If they were actually making tangible changes to focus more on speed/skating, then they could have looked at Sharangovich as a step in that direction. There's no change in approach though, so this particular trade just strikes me as poor.

They WERE looking to upgrade speed/skating. And size. That was the point - and result - of the trade.

First of all, the offensive system is not the same as last year, and HAS changed, but even if your point were accurate, that is a lousy reason to make a trade. Trades - especially when trading older players for younger - are done with longer term goals in mind. Which, I would remind you, is exactly what you WANT them to be doing.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I was also more specifically referring to Lindholm and Hanifin. I said in this very thread that Toffoli is the one contract I would have been okay with holding onto until the deadline.

Toffoli has the least value of the three. If you are going to hold off on trading someone at the deadline might as well be the people with the most value.

[Strange Brew]

Well and the other issue with Toffoli is that they clearly didn’t want just futures. And that’s what you’re getting at the deadline.

If the team was in a playoff spot, hard to imagine them trading a first line player for futures even if they planned to turn those futures into something else at the draft.

They were looking to de risk the whole situation, as well as the injury possibility.

Lindholm and Hanifin are different in that they clearly are willing to re-sign them at a certain price.

[blankall]

Toffoli is likely to backfire on the Devils. He'll have an amazing year as a UFA, turning 32. He'll sign an extension of, probably, 4 years. In 1-2 years, the Devils will have younger and better players to play with Hughes and Toffoli will be an anchor.

The only better case scenario for the Flames was to hang onto Toffoli and trade him at the deadline. Would Toffoli have 6 goals in 6 games, playing for the Flames? Not a chance. The Flames sold high on Toffoli, be happy.

[VilleN]

This trade actually made sense. Youth and speed. More of that please.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I feel confident saying that the powerplay would likely have more success if he was still a Flame as he was the trigger man on the powerplay last season that has not been replaced. They could have got the benefit of him being around 2/3 of the season contributing and likely fetched a better return at the trade deadline but it is what it is. As I said in another thread, this team being bad on the ice this season may just be the best thing for this organization in the long run so maybe the trade works out on that front.

We're judging Sharangovich from a sample size that isn't even 10 games into the season.

Additionally, Toffoli forced Conroy's hand. Many people forget this. He either wanted an extension in Calgary, or leave if he wasn't offered one. Wasn't offered one, was insulted, and demanded a trade, of course at a wondrous time when the market wasn't hot, it was ice cold. Just our luck, but Conroy got a decent return for Toffoli all things considered.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We're judging Sharangovich from a sample size that isn't even 10 games into the season.

Additionally, Toffoli forced Conroy's hand. Many people forget this. He either wanted an extension in Calgary, or leave if he wasn't offered one. Wasn't offered one, was insulted, and demanded a trade, of course at a wondrous time when the market wasn't hot, it was ice cold. Just our luck, but Conroy got a decent return for Toffoli all things considered.

Not only that, but we're also judging this trade based on Toffoli after 6 games playing with the leagues current top scorer, who is on a heater.

Who knows how we'll feel in February or March about this trade? Maybe it continues on and Toffoli has a career year and we hate Sharangovich or maybe Toffoli slows down considerably and Sharangovich picks up and out scores Toffoli... as you suggest. It is just too soon to judge this trade, especially with other future aspects to this deal.

[dino7c]

Flames got a decent return as Taylor Hall was being given away free

[lazypucker]

I hope Toffoli scores 40 this year and then the Oilers signs him to an 8x7 contract. Then he turns into Kadri 2.0. This would be the best

Originally Posted by Buff

Not only that, but we're also judging this trade based on Toffoli after 6 games playing with the leagues current top scorer, who is on a heater.

Who knows how we'll feel in February or March about this trade? Maybe it continues on and Toffoli has a career year and we hate Sharangovich or maybe Toffoli slows down considerably and Sharangovich picks up and out scores Toffoli... as you suggest. It is just too soon to judge this trade, especially with other future aspects to this deal.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames got a decent return as Taylor Hall was being given away free

Toffoli doubled Hall's point last season.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

I hope Toffoli scores 40 this year and then the Oilers signs him to an 8x7 contract. Then he turns into Kadri 2.0. This would be the best

Oilers don't have enough cap space to re-sign their own players let alone UFA's of value.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Toffoli doubled Hall's point last season.

But Taylor Hall is a former 1st overall draft pick who makes 40% more money for one additional year and produces at about 2/3rds the rate of Toffoli over the past 3 years. Surely being a former 1st overall outweighs those factors.

[Bingo]

I liked the move.

1) they didn't extend a player that would 32.5 at the start of a new contract for a bunch of years
2) they got younger
3) they added a pick/prospect

But I honestly didn't think Sharangovich would be this close to Toffoli in year one.

Two goals behind and one point behind through a half season (Toffoli has played 3 less games).

Not bad asset management at all.

Only issue is Sharangovich's UFA status in 18 months. Hopefully there is some truth to an extension already agreed upon, and the numbers are good in the deal.

[Enoch Root]

There is no way that the extension rumour is true.

From the Flames' perspective, if he hasn't lived up to expectations, they would be crazy to honour it.

And from Sharangovich's (and more importantly, his agent's) perspective, if he has played well, he will want to be paid market. There is no way the agent would say "sure, we'll sign for $4M", if he is worth $6M.

There is a reason that these agreements never exist - they are completely untenable.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by indes

I like Sharangovich - really want to see more of his shot. Throw him with Huberdeau and tell him to take the Bedard approach, shoot everything at the net.

aka "The Coleman".