2023/24 No Hope Flames Rumours & Speculation Thread

[Locke]

I love that this is the 'Pessimism' thread and reading all the Trade/Buyout proposals...I'm not going to comment or critique any of them as they should be safe to post in here.

But yeah, the Calgary Flames are going to properly suck for a good long time.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I find this article to be helpful to understand the trade conditions with Montreal including the conditions with Philly that could come into play
https://montrealhockeynow.com/2022/0...onahan-trade/#

Thanks, was looking for something in that format before I created one myself. I see some flaws already in this though.
For those that don't want to click the article link, and for me to find this later for future discussion:

[mrdonkey]

I understand that the simplest and most statistically likely outcome is that the FLA 1st in 2025 goes to Montreal.

But, there exists a timeline in which the Flames get a late 1st in 2026 from Florida and send the 2025 2nd overall pick to Montreal.

Given the way things typically go for this organization, this is worrisome.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I understand that the simplest and most statistically likely outcome is that the FLA 1st in 2025 goes to Montreal.

But, there exists a timeline in which the Flames get a late 1st in 2026 from Florida and send the 2025 2nd overall pick to Montreal.

Given the way things typically go for this organization, this is worrisome.

Yup and that has to be in the back of Conroy's mind when he is looking at roster decisions

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup and that has to be in the back of Conroy's mind when he is looking at roster decisions

I imagine if he's entertaining trade offers for any Flames he may be asking for a 2025 1st round pick over 2024 to cover the bases. He really got dealt a really bad hand by Treliving who really did make a mess of things. You just knew the moment he received that 1st round pick from Florida for Tkachuk that those two 2025 1st round picks were burning a hole in his pocket. The man loved trading draft picks for veteran players that could be used as quick fixes.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Thanks, was looking for something in that format before I created one myself. I see some flaws already in this though.
For those that don't want to click the article link, and for me to find this later for future discussion:

LOL, Tre effed up everything! In the end, Montreal gets the final laugh and then some! This would be a typical ChatGPT type of question.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I imagine if he's entertaining trade offers for any Flames he may be asking for a 2025 1st round pick over 2024 to cover the bases. He really got dealt a really bad hand by Treliving who really did make a mess of things. You just knew the moment he received that 1st round pick from Florida for Tkachuk that those two 2025 1st round picks were burning a hole in his pocket. The man loved trading draft picks for veteran players that could be used as quick fixes.

Yeah, Florida realllly needs to make the playoffs the next two years

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

… that’s how lottery protected picks typically work.

But they should be top 10 protected. Or top 5 protected. Not just 1st overall. This was obviously the point that Tre and Montreal haggled over. Tre wanted Kadri so bad and Monahan off the books he said....eff it. Let's do the deal.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

But they should be top 10 protected. Or top 5 protected. Not just 1st overall. This was obviously the point that Tre and Montreal haggled over. Tre wanted Kadri so bad and Monahan off the books he said....eff it. Let's do the deal.

It's really starting to look like he just didn't care. He knew that if this get rich quick scheme of his all went to hell, he could just bail for Toronto and leave someone else holding the bag. Surprise surprise that's exactly what happened.

[Mr.Coffee]

Just spitballin but could you offer Montreal say like a 3rd or something, in exchange for waiving any conditions whereby they’d get the 1st? Maybe it’d have to be a 2nd.

[Ashasx]

What an unnecessarily convoluted trade with ridiculous conditions when it ultimately should have just equated to "in the year Calgary receives a 1st round pick from Florida, Calgary will send Montreal the worse of their own 1st round pick and Florida's 1st round pick".

The current conditions may make it difficult for the Flames to even consider a rebuild until 2026.

[CroCop]

Wonder if we could offer Huberdeau, Wolf, plus another prospect for our first back.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Just spitballin but could you offer Montreal say like a 3rd or something, in exchange for waiving any conditions whereby they’d get the 1st? Maybe it’d have to be a 2nd.

Maybe if the 24 1st is high they’d go for it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What an unnecessarily convoluted trade with ridiculous conditions when it ultimately should have just equated to "in the year Calgary receives a 1st round pick from Florida, Calgary will send Montreal the worse of their own 1st round pick and Florida's 1st round pick".

The current conditions may make it difficult for the Flames to even consider a rebuild until 2026.

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CroCop

Wonder if we could offer Huberdeau, Wolf, plus another prospect for our first back.

Probably have to have a 1st attached to Huberdeau and that to get Montreal to take him lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

Yeah, and it was to get the privilege of overpaying an aging vet. At least if they had to make space for a young player then it would have stung less

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What an unnecessarily convoluted trade with ridiculous conditions when it ultimately should have just equated to "in the year Calgary receives a 1st round pick from Florida, Calgary will send Montreal the worse of their own 1st round pick and Florida's 1st round pick".

The current conditions may make it difficult for the Flames to even consider a rebuild until 2026.

meh. Florida is one of the best teams in the league. They are not finishing bottom 10 and if it is a situation where both Calgary and Florida have a top 10 pick, then no matter which pick goes to Montreal, the Flames would still have a top 10 pick remaining to build around

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

meh. Florida is one of the best teams in the league. They are not finishing bottom 10

They barely made the playoffs last year. A bottom ten finish over the next two years is unlikely but it could happen.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That Monahan + 1st trade might be my least favourite move of Treliving's entire tenure.

You had one year left on that contract, he was a fan favourite, and TBH he was probably going to be hurt and on LTIR anyways (which he ended up being).

Didn't like it at the time, like it even worse now.

It's actually quite remarkable the scope and lasting negative impact of the Kadri signing will have on the Flames franchise. An albatross contract taking up valuable cap space for 7 years compounded with losing a valuable 1st round pick is almost worst case scenario. The Flames do have a long rich history of this sort of thing though so I can't say I am not used to this feeling. I mean we are the franchise that traded away Brett Hull, Doug Gilmour, Iginla, Bouwmeester, JS Giguere and Marc Savard for sweet #### all, bought out Martin St Louis.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They barely made the playoffs last year. A bottom ten finish over the next two years is unlikely but it could happen.

if this is the case, Calgary will have two top 10 picks and they only have to give Montreal one, meaning the Flames would still have one top 10 pick remaining to build around. Not the worst start for a rebuild, even if Montreal drafts the next Sidney Crosby with our pick