60 Things Men Should Know About Women!!

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Dion

Hockey players when they see someone is hurt will back away from a fight. Besides it's a part of the game and players know it's a possibilty it will come up.

Does someone in spousal abuse back off when someone is hurt?

Mhmm. I punched my brother as a kid so now I'm an abuser. You did say you were concerned about my childhood fights... Concerned I might resort to violence now that I'm grown because I did at one point in time. I know how to walk away, and so I do.

What is so hard with saying i'm angry and I need some time to collect my thoughts? FWIW i have trouble reading body language, and there are others out there like me. There's a medical reason for this - Aspergers Syndrome.

Again, women are emotional. You're asking us to spit out a coherent thought when it's already been determined that we aren't logical creatures, rather emotional ones, and we're in a high state of agitation. That's what's hard with it. We can't talk in more than two word sentences in this state. When I say that nothing is wrong, and walk out of the room and slam a door, do you really believe that nothing is wrong? When I come back in, it's time to talk. You can't read body language... I can't string two words together when I'm upset enough... you expect me to understand your boundaries, and I expect you to understand mine.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

LOL! Wow, I would NOT be able to handle that...

I think I'm a very fair guy to my girlfriends, but one thing I won't ever do is be that guy who is constantly being told what to do, what to say and when to say it.

That's constant? What the hell are you doing to your girlfriends then? We aren't telling you what to do, we aren't even talking to you at this point.

I'll ask once. If you tell me, fine. We'll talk. If I screwed up and I agree with you, fine. I'll apologize. But if I ask you what's wrong, and you don't tell me... forget it.

So if you know you've screwed up to the point that I'm so pissed off I can't talk, but you asked me what's wrong and I say nothing, you won't apologize later because you already asked and I didn't tell you? How's that working out for you in real life?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

If "nothing" means "something", what means "nothing"?

nothing. There are two types of nothing. Pay attention here frag, we've already gone over this point.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by FireFly

So if you know you've screwed up to the point that I'm so pissed off I can't talk, but you asked me what's wrong and I say nothing, you won't apologize later because you already asked and I didn't tell you? How's that working out for you in real life?

Honestly? It's worked well. But then, I don't get into relationships with these types of girls. I have, in the past, but not anymore. The ones I date now are able to tell me what's wrong when they're angry, rather than storm off in a tantrum expecting to talk to me when they want, completely disregarding me.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by FireFly

nothing. There are two types of nothing. Pay attention here frag, we've already gone over this point.

Oh. Man, people are confusing. This is HARD!

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Mhmm. I punched my brother as a kid so now I'm an abuser. You did say you were concerned about my childhood fights... Concerned I might resort to violence now that I'm grown because I did at one point in time. I know how to walk away, and so I do.

No i'm not suggesting you're an abuser. I personaly don't have thoughts of violence and when you said you had alot of thoughts about violence I got concerned.

Again, women are emotional. You're asking us to spit out a coherent thought when it's already been determined that we aren't logical creatures, rather emotional ones, and we're in a high state of agitation. That's what's hard with it. We can't talk in more than two word sentences in this state. When I say that nothing is wrong, and walk out of the room and slam a door, do you really believe that nothing is wrong? When I come back in, it's time to talk. You can't read body language... I can't string two words together when I'm upset enough... you expect me to understand your boundaries, and I expect you to understand mine.

I can't say I have ever dated someone who got so angry that they walked out and slammed the door. It's a temperment that i'm not interested in being involved with. And if your going to slam the door and expect me to talk with you later... forget it!

Yes women are emotional. There are also extremes to what level they will take their emotions too also. Some are able to control their emotions without throwing a tantrum.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Here's a thought, listen to Q-Scout

He's the guy that thought Lombardi was aweome back when he was playing in small town Victoriaville

He's the guy that said MA Fleury should start for Canada in 2003 above LeNevue (I'm sure you're all saying "above who?")

He's the guy that back on page 5, in post #93 said what the rest of you fine folks took the next 3 pages to discuss

and also

HE WANTS AN ANSWER TO HIS LADDER THEORY QUESTION!!!!!

[CaramonLS]

Hey, I want one to mine too!

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

HE WANTS AN ANSWER TO HIS LADDER THEORY QUESTION!!!!!

Women never put logic into their part of the ladder theory. Whether you're on the friend ladder or not is purely emotional. Some men we want to sleep with, some men we don't. There's no logic behind it at all... has to do with what we feel when we meet you.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think all he is asking you to do is just say "we'll talk about it later" instead of "nothing", which really isn't unreasonable.

That's not a question and I've already answered it anyways. You really answered your own question when you used the word reason. Women don't use reason when there are strong emotions involved.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Dion

No i'm not suggesting you're an abuser. I personaly don't have thoughts of violence and when you said you had alot of thoughts about violence I got concerned.



I can't say I have ever dated someone who got so angry that they walked out and slammed the door. It's a temperment that i'm not interested in being involved with. And if your going to slam the door and expect me to talk with you later... forget it!

Yes women are emotional. There are also extremes to what level they will take their emotions too also. Some are able to control their emotions without throwing a tantrum.

I think that there's a point where pushed hard enough, any woman would throw a tantrum. You just need to figure out what that limit is... or not would be better, I guess.

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I can get that you don't work on a logical level, but an emotional one (but realize men work on a logical level so there will always be conflict).

But what about the ladder theory? From how I see it from the male perspective it's both logcial and emotional . . . I don't get it.

Well, my problem is the ladder theory. The best listener I ever knew was a man I never imagined dating. But we did. For three years. He was my best friend and I learned more about myself with him than I can say.

I think that the best place to look for love is usually right in front of you. The person, for whatever reason, you haven't connected with romantically, that is in your life and has already seen you at your worst is a very good place to start. They already like you - flaws and all. Maybe there is more there than you initially see.

The ladder theory is only useful for those who lack the wisdom to see this truth. And people that lack wisdom are probably not the ones you want a long term relationship with anyway.

[Flames09]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

If "nothing" means "something", what means "nothing"?

It means something.

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Flames09

It means something.

That depends.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Flames09

It means something.

hmmm...we're clearly going to have to work on your grammar. I said "what means 'nothing'", not "what does 'nothing' mean?" Do you understand the difference? The first is looking for a word/phrase that translates into the literal meaning of "nothing", whereas the second requests the word/phrase that is evoked by the use of the word "nothing", which was already given in the first part of the sentence: "If 'nothing' means 'something'"

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I think that there's a point where pushed hard enough, any woman would throw a tantrum. You just need to figure out what that limit is... or not would be better, I guess.

True enough. Maybe it's also not letting the issue get to that point. Don't let it stew or simmer and find a way to talk about it earlier.

One thing I try to work on is to be more aware of how my actions affect others. It won't eliminate all disagreements but it sure cuts out alot of it.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

Well, my problem is the ladder theory. The best listener I ever knew was a man I never imagined dating. But we did. For three years. He was my best friend and I learned more about myself with him than I can say.

I think that the best place to look for love is usually right in front of you. The person, for whatever reason, you haven't connected with romantically, that is in your life and has already seen you at your worst is a very good place to start. They already like you - flaws and all. Maybe there is more there than you initially see.

The ladder theory is only useful for those who lack the wisdom to see this truth. And people that lack wisdom are probably not the ones you want a long term relationship with anyway.

exactly why I don't understand it as I agree whole heartedly with what you just said

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

exactly why I don't understand it as I agree whole heartedly with what you just said

Okay. Common ground.

So, my question is, why do men continually beat a dead horse? If the girl you like is your friend but shows no interest in moving forward with that, why do men not find another friend - one that shows more wisdom? That, to me, is illogical. And for men to pride themselves on operating logically, a little weird.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

Okay. Common ground.

So, my question is, why do men continually beat a dead horse? If the girl you like is your friend but shows no interest in moving forward with that, why do men not find another friend - one that shows more wisdom? That, to me, is illogical. And for men to pride themselves on operating logically, a little weird.

What do you mean exactly? Can you give me an example (it's 1am here and I've been up since 8am, can you dumb it down for me I'm tired haha)

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

What do you mean exactly? Can you give me an example (it's 1am here and I've been up since 8am, can you dumb it down for me I'm tired haha)

I'll try. You agreed with me that people (both sexes but, in particular, women) should look at the possibilty of love right in their own back yard. That best friends can be more.

You expressed (that's what I interpreted, anyway) frustration and/or confusion that it doesn't happen. That once a man was a woman's friend, she no longer looked at him with the possibilty of romance. This is the ladder theory, no?

I wondered why men would not search out different girls to be friends with - girls that showed the wisdom to understand that good relationships are built on a foundation of friendship.

Men do not do this. They are single minded in their pursuit of a specific girl, even if she shows little interest in moving to another level of the relationship. It is illogical. The girl is not interested in another level, she doesn't show the desirable trait of wisdom, and yet, the man is upset that she doesn't look at him romantically.

Why does he waste his time being bitter about being stuck on the friend ladder? Why doesn't he make new girl friends with girls that show more wisdom?

It would be the logical step to take and yet, men seem content to whine about the ladder.

IE: Tom is attracted to Susan. Susan likes Tom as a friend. Tom settles for being a friend only with the thought that with time and patience, she will look at him differently. Susan never does. Tom is upset because he's invested a lot of time with no payback (sex). He's upset about his ladder status.

Why does Tom not see that Susan does not possess the wisdom to see the potential for a relationship? Why does he pursue it anyway? Why does he not make friends with Ashley, who seems a little more aware of him? Or at least give Ashley the opportunity to show wisdom? Or Karen? Or Carmen? Or Amanda? Why does he invest energies in trying to get Susan to look at him differently when she clearly doesn't show enough wisdom to do so on her own?

Why?