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It doesn't, but we don't stand around pretending Hamas and Arab jihadists are a bastion of democracy in the middle east and worth of billions of dollars of foreign aid to prop up for that reason.
It's a false equivalence and you know it. Israel is held to a higher standard, and if you think they shouldn't be, then just say it.
So, 50+ years ago? How many people did Canada deport?
None that I recall but what does that have to do with what you claimed and what was answered?
If you are asking did the government at the time use the War Measures act to detain/imprison people on no charges, then yes. Several hundred as a matter of fact. Many of them protestors IIRC.
When a nation has had war declared upon them, the rules change.
None that I recall but what does that have to do with what you claimed and what was answered?
If you are asking did the government at the time use the War Measures act to detain/imprison people on no charges, then yes. Several hundred as a matter of fact. Many of them protestors IIRC.
When a nation has had war declared upon them, the rules change.
I was talking about the post I made, you moving the goalposts doesn't change the thrust of the OP.
And in either case, locking up or deporting protesters during wartime was ####ed up 50 years ago, and it's ####ed up now. I can't believe you weirdo Libertarian types would go along with totalitarian overreach like that and shrug it off.
[Poster who is actually a gentile pretending to care about Jews because he hates Muslims more] "Actually you are the real Jew-hating racist"
LOL, ladies and gentlemen, we have our own Anti-Israel Jew here. Quite a few German Jews were actually supportive of the NSGWP initially. Contrary to what you might think, honey, they all burned in chambers as hot and as bright as others.
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LOL, ladies and gentlemen, we have our own Anti-Israel Jew here. Quite a few German Jews were actually supportive of the NSGWP initially. Contrary to what you might think, honey, they all burned in chambers as hot and as bright as others.
Yeah I'm aware of the existence of Kapos.
But being anti-Zionist doesn't make you a Kapo, going along with genocide does.
Need more of these no nonsense interviews. Not to give Hamas a voice but to allow the Palestinian people to see the nutjobs that they are and their indifference to having them slaughtered.
This is really amazing. How does he possibly think this is a good idea to go on camera stating these things? Hamas didn't target civilians? There are videos of hundreds of Hamas fighters shooting at festival goers and infiltrating civilian compounds. The Hamas fighters had maps on them directing them exactly where to go. They had weapons designed specifically to crack open bomb shelters that civilians were hiding in.
This guy reminds me of Prince Andrew trying to explain why he had his arm around a trafficked teenager.
Huge Kudos to the journalist for pushing the line of questioning like she did.
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But being anti-Zionist doesn't make you a Kapo, going along with genocide does.
And this is where you're terribly wrong. I don't want to debate the whole ideology of Zionism, as I don't really believe in it. But you can't deny that Zionism is the only reason the state of Israel exists today. It wouldn't be if it wasn't for Zionist movement in early 1900's. Being anti-Zionist has become a convenient decoy for everyone to hide the hatred. Yes, you can point to Neturei Karta as the exception, but that's just that, the exception.
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This is really amazing. How does he possibly think this is a good idea to go on camera stating these things? Hamas didn't target civilians? There are videos of hundreds of Hamas fighters shooting at festival goers and infiltrating civilian compounds. The Hamas fighters had maps on them directing them exactly where to go. They had weapons designed specifically to crack open bomb shelters that civilians were hiding in.
This guy reminds me of Prince Andrew trying to explain why he had his arm around a trafficked teenager.
Huge Kudos to the journalist for pushing the line of questioning like she did.
There are people on twitter who believe Israel is using AI to fake dead bodies from Oct.7, he is not talking to us, he is talking to people who are already radicalized to believe whatever Hamas says.
And this is where you're terribly wrong. I don't want to debate the whole ideology of Zionism, as I don't really believe in it. But you can't deny that Zionism is the only reason the state of Israel exists today. It wouldn't be if it wasn't for Zionist movement in early 1900's. Being anti-Zionist has become a convenient decoy for everyone to hide the hatred. Yes, you can point to Neturei Karta as the exception, but that's just that, the exception.
I wouldn't expect you to understand what it's like to actually care about atrocities committed in your name, but I don't want to be associated with a group that believes in a Divine Right to retaliatorily murder thousands of civilians.
Saying that makes me a Jew-hater is like saying I hate the Flames because Theo sucks.
LOL, ladies and gentlemen, we have our own Anti-Israel Jew here. Quite a few German Jews were actually supportive of the NSGWP initially. Contrary to what you might think, honey, they all burned in chambers as hot and as bright as others.
“You hate Jews!”
Calls a Jewish person “honey” while suggesting he’s like a Nazi supporter and would get the chamber regardless.
Brilliant.
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I was talking about the post I made, you moving the goalposts doesn't change the thrust of the OP.
And in either case, locking up or deporting protesters during wartime was ####ed up 50 years ago, and it's ####ed up now. I can't believe you weirdo Libertarian types would go along with totalitarian overreach like that and shrug it off.
Holy crap dude.
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I've never seen Canada enact a "Zero Tolerance" policy for protests.
Protests have been disbanded for being dangerous, illegally enacted, or in ways that infringe on the public (one can argue whether this is good or not, probably not because inconveniencing people is the point), but blanket-banning protests is extremely illiberal.
Pretending there aren't degrees of protest doesn't help this case much either. The way it's being phrased is say, a student group waving Palestinian flags and chanting "Stop the War" on campus could result in their deportation.
I literally gave you the example. It happened.
And IM moving goalposts??
No one here has said its OK..."weirdo libertarian" or not.
Simply, and correctly, pointing out how things change when your country is at war.
No one here has said its OK..."weirdo libertarian" or not.
Simply, and correctly, pointing out how things change when your country is at war.
So your entire point was to be pedantic?
Well in the same vein, I have literally never seen Canada have a "Zero Tolerance" policy for protests because I wasn't alive in 1970. How's that for technical pedantry?
Need more of these no nonsense interviews. Not to give Hamas a voice but to allow the Palestinian people to see the nutjobs that they are and their indifference to having them slaughtered.
Maybe I've misjudged you, but I'm actually surprised you posted this.
At first, I assumed it was a video of an Israeli official saying stupid things.
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Calls a Jewish person “honey” while suggesting he’s like a Nazi supporter and would get the chamber regardless.
Brilliant.
But looks like you do. I mean, how can anyone blame you for that, it's a natural feeling for billions. You know, Jews. How dare they want to live on a few square inches of rocky desert completely surrounded by countries wishing to annihilate it without a second thought, yet somehow being held to a higher moral standard. Amirite?
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Well in the same vein, I have literally never seen Canada have a "Zero Tolerance" policy for protests because I wasn't alive in 1970. How's that for technical pedantry?
This is an uber-millennial quote.
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But looks like you do. I mean, how can anyone blame you for that, it's a natural feeling for billions. You know, Jews. How dare they want to live on a few square inches of rocky desert completely surrounded by countries wishing to annihilate it without a second thought, yet somehow being held to a higher moral standard. Amirite?
This #### drives me bonkers. I am Jewish and I don't support most Israeli policies towards Palestinians. Equating hating what Israel does to sometimes hating Jews is such a ridiculous logical leap that it's hard to believe otherwise rational people use it. And yet, it's used by so many whenever there's any kind of criticism towards Israel.
Newsflash: Israel isn't perfect and anybody is allowed, encouraged even, to criticize their policies and actions without having to defend themselves as an anti-Semite.
Israel must be held to a higher moral standard otherwise they end up being the same as the animals that attacked on Oct.7. That said, Israel also has an obligation to protect it's citizens both in the short and long term. But that is akin to trying to shoot a harpoon through the eye of a needle.
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I don't think "zero tolerance" is an accurate reflection of what happened in 1970. I believe there were protests in several cities after the Act was invoked. Here's one from Toronto on October 17th, 1970.
Things were a bit more repressive in Quebec, but it was also an internal crisis. I don't think the Israeli government honestly believes that people protesting in Israel are actually working with Hamas.
Granted, it's pretty easy to understand why Israelis and their government might feel the way they do given what they've gone through. But significant curtailment of civil liberties and letting feelings of retribution guide your policy rarely works out in the long term. There's a reason why it's a credible theory that Hamas did this basically in order to suck Israel into a damaging quagmire and to push both sides to the extremes, and that's because it's a real thing that happens. And to some extent, Israel is falling into that trap.
Israel must be held to a higher moral standard otherwise they end up being the same as the animals that attacked on Oct.7. That said, Israel also has an obligation to protect it's citizens both in the short and long term. But that is akin to trying to shoot a harpoon through the eye of a needle.
What Israel is doing right now though isn't protecting its people. It's enacting revenge.
Does anyone really believe that this incursion into Gaza is actually going to destroy Hamas?
This #### drives me bonkers. I am Jewish and I don't support most Israeli policies towards Palestinians...
I hear you and, admittedly, that was some sarcasm on my part. But what happens in these threads here very much resembles what happens everywhere else. Usually, USSR/Russia or Iran need some distraction from what they are doing at the moment. Miraculously, out of the blue, Israel gets attacked and forced to respond. The world talks about the provocation for a few days (we must condemn, but...) and then completely shifts attention to Israel's response (horrible, inhumane, disproportionate...). Same sh.t, each and every time.
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