10-19-2023, 05:50 PM
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#2401
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Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: San Francisco
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Originally Posted by Leondros
You can tell how absolutely unhinged you are on this subject as every single one of your posts for the last 20 pages has been edited multiple times over 15 minute periods. I can only imagine how horrific it would have been in Israel on October 7th and that should never ever have happened. But my feeling is Israel is on a course of action right now that will just perpetuate the same results for generations to come. If you truly want Israel to succeed there needs to a direction change in government policy. What has been done clearly is not working.
On the Palestinian side they are no where near blameless. But desperate and indoctrinrated people are an awful mix. I agree and believe with some of the posters here that if Hamas is removed, something similar or worse will fill the vacuum. The only way to stop that is to change the tactics that have failed over the past 50 years.
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Sorry for editing my posts, I will double check with you next time I do it officer.
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10-19-2023, 05:55 PM
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#2402
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by blankall
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Yeah, it was a case of a reporter getting bad information and not verifying it. There were people beheaded and infants murdered, and somehow the story morphed into babies being beheaded. The Israeli government was actually pretty quick to slow the roll on it.
The pictures of the dead infants were released though and some were burned in their cribs. Beheading likely would have been more humane actually.
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10-19-2023, 07:09 PM
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#2403
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Yeah, it was a case of a reporter getting bad information and not verifying it. There were people beheaded and infants murdered, and somehow the story morphed into babies being beheaded. The Israeli government was actually pretty quick to slow the roll on it.
The pictures of the dead infants were released though and some were burned in their cribs. Beheading likely would have been more humane actually.
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Well, the IDF and Netanyahu‘s spokesperson both made the claim, so it wasn’t just a reporter getting bad info. The story originated with the Israeli military and was repeated by Israeli and IDF officials. We don’t have to pretend that it came from some mysterious source.
In a vaguely similar misconnection of information (and to see how easily stories morph), there weren’t actually any photos of babies burned in their cribs released. There were photos of burned babies, and photos of bloody beds. Among several other horrible things. I very much doubt based on the photos of the babies that there would have been any crib left to identify.
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10-19-2023, 07:50 PM
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#2405
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It could be that the rockets originated from Gaza, but at this point the U.S. investigating Israel is like Iran investigating Hezbollah, we need a third party.
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10-19-2023, 08:06 PM
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#2406
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro
It could be that the rockets originated from Gaza, but at this point the U.S. investigating Israel is like Iran investigating Hezbollah, we need a third party.
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Well there's also that the Al Alhi hospital was built to only house 50 people, pictures of it exist the day after with only damage to the parking lot, so the hospital wasn't blown up and there is no way 500 people were killed in the parking lot. Also French and German Intelligence confirmed maximum 50, likely less, people dead.
https://web.archive.org/web/20231019...fp.com.33YN7WH
The story spun by Hamas was already full of holes, just let the investigation happen.
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10-19-2023, 08:21 PM
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#2407
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If you compare the way London responded to the troubles with the IRA in Northern Ireland compared to the way Israel has treated the Palestinians it couldn't be more night and day.
One of those conflicts is essentially over and the other is continuing to get worse.
Israel should look to the North as an example on how to end internal terrorism.
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10-19-2023, 08:25 PM
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#2408
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by gvitaly
You keep calling Israel apartheid state.
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It isn't just me. Amnesty International, the UN, Human Rights Watch and so on identify Israel an apartheid state. But what do they know, right? Even ex-members of your own government state it is a policy they are enforcing. Denial just isn't a river that flows through Egypt.
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10-19-2023, 08:33 PM
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#2409
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
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Definitely look at what countries in the UN vote to censure Israel, and which vote not to.
Spoiler alert - if your vote aligns with Arab theocracies instead of democracies, you’re probably on the wrong side of the issue.
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10-19-2023, 08:42 PM
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#2410
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Originally Posted by Leondros
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I think he got caught making a rash statement when it first happened, and now wants to act with the patience to avoid doing that twice.
He's learning on the job.
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10-19-2023, 08:54 PM
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#2411
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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10-19-2023, 09:04 PM
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#2412
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
If you compare the way London responded to the troubles with the IRA in Northern Ireland compared to the way Israel has treated the Palestinians it couldn't be more night and day.
One of those conflicts is essentially over and the other is continuing to get worse.
Israel should look to the North as an example on how to end internal terrorism.
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I don't think you can draw any similarities between the two except both were or are brutal. Different time, place, religions, cultures, regions etc. Not comparable at all.
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10-19-2023, 09:22 PM
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Also it's not like the French, Spanish and Belgians were sending money and weapons to support the IRA...
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10-19-2023, 09:23 PM
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#2414
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Originally Posted by SutterBrother
Definitely look at what countries in the UN vote to censure Israel, and which vote not to.
Spoiler alert - if your vote aligns with Arab theocracies instead of democracies, you’re probably on the wrong side of the issue.
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How do you expect to change hearts and minds of these theocracies? Show them that you are an open society valuing all people the same, or just being another theorcacy ethnoreligious state? What about the other sources, including a member of the very government that enforced the policy? Yes, denial is strong.
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10-19-2023, 09:25 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Yoho
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No issue with supporting/highlighting the humanitarian side of this thing. Its a huge and ugly problem.
Its when it gets convoluted with support for the actions of Hamas at the rallies/protests worldwide, that things get really gross.
I think many people have real trouble understanding the difference between the two things and it all gets really nasty at that point.
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10-19-2023, 09:30 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
How do you expect to change hearts and minds of these theocracies? Show them that you are an open society valuing all people the same, or just being another theorcacy ethnoreligious state? What about the other sources, including a member of the very government that enforced the policy? Yes, denial is strong.
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Haha. Are you serious? Change the hearts and minds of theocracies? 
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10-19-2023, 09:32 PM
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#2417
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Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
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It's funny you mention the UN, without actually addressing what I tried to tell you. Palestinians aren't a part of Israel. They don't pay taxes to Israel, that's why there's a much lesser obligation towards them. The Arab Israelis, 2 Million of them, live just fine, and they have the same civic rights and duties.
UN Condemns Israel 15 Times, Rest of World 13. Here's an example of how fair the UN is towards Israel. Hell half the committees are run/sponsored by Arab countries.
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10-19-2023, 09:45 PM
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#2418
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Spartanville
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Originally Posted by Oil Stain
If you compare the way London responded to the troubles with the IRA in Northern Ireland compared to the way Israel has treated the Palestinians it couldn't be more night and day.
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Yes and no.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that the British are not guilty of state sponsored murder of nationalist civilians there .
They were just more underhanded about it running death squads whilst preaching to the rest of the world. At least the Israelis own it.
Might I suggest you watch The Miami Showband Massacre on Netflix for a small glimpse and one example of the depths they would sink to.
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10-20-2023, 03:27 AM
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#2419
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Israel isn’t dropping bombs on Gaza to punish Palestinian civilians for Oct 7. It’s dropping bombs to destroy Hamas, it’s organization, its weapons, and its infrastructure. Hamas poses an ongoing threat to Israel, and this operation won’t end until that threat is removed or dramatically diminished.
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How people don't get this amazes me, Israel has killed a lot of Palestinian's before but let's face facts, if does so after suicide bombers blow up markets, buses and murder Jewish civilians and then celebrate like it the 4th of July.
It's going to be ugly but Israel has to stop this crap and that time is now.
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10-20-2023, 06:53 AM
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#2420
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Marseilles Of The Prairies
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Just lmao if you honestly think bombing Gaza to dust is going to stop this, either in the near or far future.
The definition of insanity in fact.
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