They have some larger missiles and bombs which they have not used yet as well. Maybe Israel managed to take them out.
Also remember that Hamas fires hundreds to thousands of rockets into Israel every year, as well as occasional mortars. Aside from the scale of the recent attacks, rocket attacks were just a part of life in the region. At between $300-$800 a pop, that is a lot of money that could have been used to actually improve their conditions.
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No, it's not based on nothing. It's based on a pattern that has been happening in the region for years. I've seen videos of how Hamas terrorists grab onto children in Gaza while being chased by the Israelis. Those videos were taken when it was much more difficult to fake them.
So you're admitting the audio you heard confirms your bias.
Fact of the matter is you don't know if it is real or not. You choose to deem it credible.
Somewhere some Palestinian is listening to audio of what he believes to be two Israelis discussing how they're going to shoot up every man woman and child in Gaza. He has zero clue regarding its authenticity but it's plausible to him based on what he has saw and been told. It's based on a pattern that he believes has happened before.
But hey. You're welcome to believe whatever you want. Just be prepared to be challenged on it.
Actually I think that we have largely come to some consensus:
1. Hamas needs to be destroyed.
2. The idea of ethnoreligious states is outdated. Israel should transform into secular multinational state, call it Israel 2.0 if you will. It represents both new version and having two nations
3. Gaza and West Bank should probably join Israel 2.0. The democrat in me says that Gaza and West Bank should vote on their future, but frankly I don't trust them to vote wisely. The world will be safer if they just join Israel 2.0.
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Probably the most poignant, sensible and balanced responses to the situation came from John Oliver tonight in his pre-show comments. If and when a clip is available on YouTube it should definitely be shared here.
Not an official clip so it will probably be taken down by YouTube relatively quickly but:
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So are all wars where cities are bombed genocidal? Or is there something different going on in Gaza from all of the other ongoing conflicts in the world?
Not far away, the Yemeni Civl War is into its 9th year. 377,000+ people have died so far. Most of them civilians. Who’s doing the genocide and how has the international community treated them?
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So are all wars where cities are bombed genocidal? Or is there something different going on in Gaza from all of the other ongoing conflicts in the world?
Not far away, the Yemeni Civl War is into its 9th year. 377,000+ people have died so far. Most of them civilians. Who’s doing the genocide and how has the international community treated them?
Look it up and get back to us. Thanks in advance.
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Years ago I stopped watching John Oliver because of his comments on his show that I thought were completely misguided, ie totally wrong, when it came to Israeli policy.
Re the clip above I can’t say I disagree with what he had to say this time.
Btw on 60 Minutes tonight Leslie Stahl interviewed a grandfather who rescued his son and grandchildren from a kibbutz close to the border. He is an ex IDF colonel. He killed at least one Hamas terrorist, rescued two young people from the music festival and drove injured soldiers to the hospital. Incredible bravery.
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That's excellent news. Israel is no doubt facing and responding to mounting pressure to address humanitarian concerns before they start any kind of ground offensive - which is good for all concerned (almost miraculous given how things looked several days ago and the political leanings of the government of the day).
I have no doubt that some brutal days are still going to come, but there are ways to minimize the harms to ordinary Gazans - and to Israelis and Jewish people internationally, who will bear the reputational brunt of Israel's military response. The delay also affords the opportunity for a longer term plan to emerge - something I'm not sure the Israeli government had actually turned its mind to in its initial response to the Hamas attack (which was understandable given the brutality of it and the impact on the Israeli collective psyche).
It seems to me that whatever the long term plan ultimately proves to be, it will need the direct involvement of bodies other than Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza. There simply can't be enough trust there for another solution to governance, at least not that I can see.
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Why no arrest warrants from international court for Hamas leaders who live outside Gaza?
The ICC doesn't have a police force, it would take Hamas leaders to be living in an ICC member state to be arrested, which is very unlikely.
They're probably in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon or Iran, good luck getting them from those countries.
Just hunt them down and kill them, I know it's Israeli policy not to discuss weapons but I'm pretty sure they have Predator or Reaper drones, I hear they're very effective
The ICC doesn't have a police force, it would take Hamas leaders to be living in an ICC member state to be arrested, which is very unlikely.
They're probably in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon or Iran, good luck getting them from those countries.
Just hunt them down and kill them, I know it's Israeli policy not to discuss weapons but I'm pretty sure they have Predator or Reaper drones, I hear they're very effective
To be fair, odds of arresting Putin from Russia are just as low. Arrest warrants could at very least restrict their movement. But I agree with hunting them down part.
A jew calling for the elimination of an entire population.
What a time to be alive.
I've always said this . I've infection said it multiple times and been ignored jews since 1948bhave wanted ti exterminate Arabs but the irony is kost for them. Just learning what Germans and Russians did to them.
Blocked all 3 of you now so keep talking idc, go post another Al Jazeera article and claim its reliable
Dude.. your the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black
Also to add blocking people because you disagree with there side? .
Trying seems like your open to others veiw points, yet admit you the public your blocking opinions outside your own
You seem like a strong man here.
I thinknyour kind calls that being a snowflake.
I've been on this site for 10 years . I've never blocked any one not even Moon.
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