2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Francis also suggested Lindholm wouldn't sign because he wants to live in Florida. Great. I suppose he could in the off season but neither of those 2 teams is paying him.

Both of those teams have the salary cap space next season to pay Lindholm $9M without any real problem.

Lindholm isn't being crazy in (rumoured) to be holding firm at 8 Years and $9.3M AAV.

There will be markets, likely more 'desirable' than Calgary, that will have the ability to pay him $9M for 7 years. The 8th year and maybe a few extra hundred thousand is the premium he may be placing on playing in Calgary.

[saillias]

I'm reminded of Gaudreau leaving Calgary for UFA and having to take a sizeable paycut from his Calgary offer. He thought he would get equivalent. Just because the cap is going up doesn't mean teams want to immediately allocate it to the first UFA they see. I'm skeptical teams value a guy somewhere in the 21-30th best center in the league range over 9 million.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Both of those teams have the salary cap space next season to pay Lindholm $9M without any real problem.

Lindholm isn't being crazy in (rumoured) to be holding firm at 8 Years and $9.3M AAV.

There will be markets, likely more 'desirable' than Calgary, that will have the ability to pay him $9M for 7 years. The 8th year and maybe a few extra hundred thousand is the premium he may be placing on playing in Calgary.

If Florida signs him at that amount they will 17.7 million left and need to sign 5 dmen and 4 forwards. So their entire backend would more or less just be 1-2 million dollar a year guys and they would have to let Forsling, Montour walk and let Reinhart walk.

Tampa has 10 million so they would have to go with a 5 dmen and 10 forwards along with their two goalies. Higher risk of injury with that thin of a lineup.

[ComixZone]

On a $87.675M Salary Cap

Tampa Bay:
9 Forwards
5 Defencemen
2 Goals
$12.56M in cap space

Add Lindholm in at $9M

$3.56M to sign 3 forwards, 2 defencemen - so not legally possible. They've been in tougher crunches, and this is of course without them making any other changes.

Florida:
8 Forwards
2 Defencemen
2 Goalies
$26.07M in Cap Space

Add Lindholm in at $9M

$17.07M to sign 4 forwards, 5 defencemen. The forward spots would be the bottom 4 forward spots on the team. So yeah, could they get high value depth forwards and two top-4 defencemen + 3 bottom pairing/7th defencemen for $17M? I'd say yes, it's Florida. Bring Montour back at $7M, and it's still very doable. Bridging Lundell would be the requirement - and yes, letting Reinhart go.

The road to these teams signing Lindholm, if they wanted to, is far from difficult. They also aren't buried under poor value UFA contracts as-is - that's what affords them the opportunity to do it if they want.

Neither of these teams are in a bad spot cap-wise, because they aren't carrying poor value deals going forward.

If Lindholm wants to play in one of these markets though? I'd imagine he'd take less than $9M.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If the second contract is discounted at 10% instead of 6.5% ...

Needs a three year deal at $5.97M
Needs a two year deal at $8.6M

So yeah more risk for sure.

Though I don't think a 3 year $5.97M contract is out of the question given the cap could be north of $105M at that point (making that today's $4.5M contract)

Risk is a funny thing and people will value it differently.

If someone game me a choice:

A guaranteed $10 million
or $20 million if I make a three foot putt.

I might expect to make that putt 90% of the time but I'm still taking the guaranteed money. Not a perfect example obviously but I think some athletes are simply looking to de-risk their career at a certain point.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Any new news on your end?

Nope.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Both of those teams have the salary cap space next season to pay Lindholm $9M without any real problem.

Lindholm isn't being crazy in (rumoured) to be holding firm at 8 Years and $9.3M AAV.

There will be markets, likely more 'desirable' than Calgary, that will have the ability to pay him $9M for 7 years. The 8th year and maybe a few extra hundred thousand is the premium he may be placing on playing in Calgary.

I don't see any market willing to pay Lindholm his current ask unless he puts up 80+ points this year and even then I am not sure.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see any market willing to pay Lindholm his current ask unless he puts up 80+ points this year and even then I am not sure.

If gets near a PPG, coupled with his defensive reputation...I see $9M being offered without much hesitation. He's already got 3 points

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Risk is a funny thing and people will value it differently.

If someone game me a choice:

A guaranteed $10 million
or $20 million if I make a three foot putt.

I might expect to make that putt 90% of the time but I'm still taking the guaranteed money. Not a perfect example obviously but I think some athletes are simply looking to de-risk their career at a certain point.

If you already had $40 million would you think about it differently?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If gets near a PPG, coupled with his defensive reputation...I see $9M being offered without much hesitation. He's already got 3 points

Exactly.

Here are what other C's are getting as it is.....AAV



1. Nathan MacKinnon 12.6
2. Connor McDavid 12.5
3. Auston Matthews 11.6
4. John Tavares 11
5. Anze Kopitar 10
6. Aleksander Barkov 10
7. Jack Eichel 10
8. Tyler Seguin 9.8
9. Brayden Point 9.5
10. Nicklas Bäckström 9.2
11. Mathew Barza 9.1
12. Dylan Larkin 8.7
13. Sidney Crosby 8.7
15. Bo Horvat 8.5
16. Mika Zibanejad 8.5
17. Pierre-Luc Dubois 8.5
18. Leon Draisait 8.5
19. Sebastian Aho 8.5
20. Roope Hintz 8.4

All of those deals signed with what will be a lower cap than the next one.

Since coming to Calgary only 9 of those guys have out produced him.

Now add in his defensive acumen.

No way he wont get at least 9M on the open market IMO. Its just a matter of term after that and Im guessing many wouldnt blink at 7 years.

Its the cost of doing business in the NHL now.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see any market willing to pay Lindholm his current ask unless he puts up 80+ points this year and even then I am not sure.

Pretty sure him and his agent know they won’t be getting anything near what Calgary is offering . I think they are fine with it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Francis also suggested Lindholm wouldn't sign because he wants to live in Florida. Great. I suppose he could in the off season but neither of those 2 teams is paying him.

I think you’re taking what Francis had to say out of context.

He was speaking more anecdotally about the draw for players to want to play in warmer climates, which he has rolled out there on many occasions. He did not say that Lindholm has stated he wants to play in Florida. Francis was using Florida as an example.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see any market willing to pay Lindholm his current ask unless he puts up 80+ points this year and even then I am not sure.

Calgary number and non-Calgary number for sure

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Exactly.

Here are what other C's are getting as it is.....AAV



1. Nathan MacKinnon 12.6
2. Connor McDavid 12.5
3. Auston Matthews 11.6
4. John Tavares 11
5. Anze Kopitar 10
6. Aleksander Barkov 10
7. Jack Eichel 10
8. Tyler Seguin 9.8
9. Brayden Point 9.5
10. Nicklas Bäckström 9.2
11. Mathew Barza 9.1
12. Dylan Larkin 8.7
13. Sidney Crosby 8.7
15. Bo Horvat 8.5
16. Mika Zibanejad 8.5
17. Pierre-Luc Dubois 8.5
18. Leon Draisait 8.5
19. Sebastian Aho 8.5
20. Roope Hintz 8.4

All of those deals signed with what will be a lower cap than the next one.

Since coming to Calgary only 9 of those guys have out produced him.

Now add in his defensive acumen.

No way he wont get at least 9M on the open market IMO. Its just a matter of term after that and Im guessing many wouldnt blink at 7 years.

Its the cost of doing business in the NHL now.

Lindholm’s peak production is most likely behind him. He had undeniable chemistry with Johnny, but I think paying for those peak years, whoever does it with expectations he’s a 40 goal selke candidate will be sadly disappointed.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Lindholm’s peak production is most likely behind him. He had undeniable chemistry with Johnny, but I think paying for those peak years, whoever does it with expectations he’s a 40 goal selke candidate will be sadly disappointed.

No one will be expecting that.

A 70-75 pt Selke guy? Yeah that might be realistic....since thats basically what he has been the last 5 seasons.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Francis thinks Lindholm would get over 9x7 on the open market...you never know I guess

Francis has a tendency to go high on salary expectations

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Pretty sure him and his agent know they won’t be getting anything near what Calgary is offering . I think they are fine with it.

Yeah, it'll come down to "Calgary vastly overpays at $9.3mil/8yrs ($75mil) or we'll go get a deal in a nice, warm climate in the US at $8.5mil/7yrs ($60mil) and in both cases have more money than a person could ever spend".

It's going to to be so bad if Calgary caves and actually gives him over $9mil for 8 years. Our core make up will be grandpas with no chance of contending within 3 years, and no chance of rebuilding for half a decade.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, it'll come down to "Calgary vastly overpays at $9.3mil/8yrs ($75mil) or we'll go get a deal in a nice, warm climate in the US at $8.5mil/7yrs ($60mil) and in both cases have more money than a person could ever spend".

It's going to to be so bad if Calgary caves and actually gives him over $9mil for 8 years. Our core make up will be grandpas with no chance of contending within 3 years, and no chance of rebuilding for half a decade.

The short term pain of a poor start this season, will likely alleviate what could be nearly a decades worth of agony with a geriatric core that can't win.

Let Lindy keep producing like he has (4 points in 2 games), lose some games, and then move Lindy for a solid return sometime before Christmas.

Then, draft Tij Iginla and all is right in the world. Except for that Huberdeau contract...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

On a $87.675M Salary Cap

Tampa Bay:
9 Forwards
5 Defencemen
2 Goals
$12.56M in cap space

Add Lindholm in at $9M

$3.56M to sign 3 forwards, 2 defencemen - so not legally possible. They've been in tougher crunches, and this is of course without them making any other changes.

Florida:
8 Forwards
2 Defencemen
2 Goalies
$26.07M in Cap Space

Add Lindholm in at $9M

$17.07M to sign 4 forwards, 5 defencemen. The forward spots would be the bottom 4 forward spots on the team. So yeah, could they get high value depth forwards and two top-4 defencemen + 3 bottom pairing/7th defencemen for $17M? I'd say yes, it's Florida. Bring Montour back at $7M, and it's still very doable. Bridging Lundell would be the requirement - and yes, letting Reinhart go.

The road to these teams signing Lindholm, if they wanted to, is far from difficult. They also aren't buried under poor value UFA contracts as-is - that's what affords them the opportunity to do it if they want.

Neither of these teams are in a bad spot cap-wise, because they aren't carrying poor value deals going forward.

If Lindholm wants to play in one of these markets though? I'd imagine he'd take less than $9M.

I assume you have Stamkos being allowed to leave based on those numbers.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Calgary number and non-Calgary number for sure

I’m so sick of this BS, if you need to be paid more than market to be here than F off!

Flames just need to forget this idea of paying top dollar for UFAs because they ALWAYS have to outbid and pay above market.

Just focus on drafting and development and use the leverage you have on entry levels and RFAs and learn to let go and move on when the leverage swings to the player.

You CAN build good teams and possibly a winner like this; this is the Carolina strategy.

Trade Lindholm for young players / picks / prospects. You know you are going to have to stockpile young assets in order to get rid of the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts in a few years. Acquiring young cost efficient assets should be the mantra of this organization. Not just now or “in a cycle”, always it should be the mantra, know what your market is, it is an “undesirable”, deal with it.