Israel declares war on Hamas

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Palestinian's are brainwashed, they dance in the streets over the body's of Israeli civilians like savages, they are taught from 5 years old that all Jews must die. Hamas is ISIS pt2 and need to be eliminated from the face of the earth, if not there will be pt3,pt4 etc.

Islam needs to remove the small but loud hateful part of their religion before acceptance and peace around the world can happen. If the crazy Christians can do it so can they.

"As the sun begins to sink over the Mediterranean, groups of Israelis gather each evening on hilltops close to the Gaza border to cheer, whoop and whistle as bombs rain down on people in a hellish warzone a few miles away."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...r-gaza-bombing

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Big difference pal.

- One side murders innocents at parties, in their cars and in their beds and then parade their body's around like trophys.

- Other side targets these murderers hiding behind innocents.

If you can't see the difference there's no help for you

Sure mate.
I see innocents being killed on both sides. Simple as. No difference.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Language

Once again, your response here is very idealistic and virtuous. No one is saying that innocent Palestinians deserve to die. It’s tragic the situation they are in.

Let’s play it out differently. Maybe Israel, as the democratic and moral army, should announce exactly where they are entering Gaza street by street. Maybe the leaflets they are dropping warning Gazans to flee, should instead let Hamas know exactly where the IDF plans to sweep through in their search for terrorists. Many many more IDF soldiers will die, but at least they’re giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt. They deserve it after killing nearly 1500 Israelis in a cold blooded terrorist attack.

Forget about the fact that Hamas itself is not letting Gazans flee south. Yet somehow Israel is the one to blame here.

Where was the moral outrage during the battle of Mosul when thousands of civilians were being killed in the quest to get rid of ISIS?


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There’s nothing idealistic or virtuous about pointing out the fact that you go into great detail to show how worthy of empathy an Israeli civilian death is while dismissing Palestinian civilian deaths as tragic but a simple cost of war.

Before handing out pamphlets, could Israel do something crazy like not cut off water and electricity? Perhaps they could ensure hospitals can treat the thousands of civilians their bombs are injuring, instead of keeping them handicapped for a handful of hostages.

Hamas is to blame. More so. But Israel is also to blame. Why do you believe that any criticism of Israel is excusing Hamas? And why do you lie and reframe every attempt to keep Palestinian civilians centred in this with Israeli civilians as silly things like “giving Hamas the benefit of the doubt”?

I assume it goes back to the difference in how you view Israeli civilians vs how you view Palestinian civilians?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Pointman

You do realize, West Bank and Gaza are two different factions, who hate each other?

Do Israelis? Because it seems weird that they would attack and kill Palestinians in the West Bank if they have nothing to do with Gaza.

[WCW Nitro]

Officials in Israel's own government have said that they will build settlements because of religious reasons and some here still are saying that if only Palestinians put down their weapons we can have peace.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Sure mate.
I see innocents being killed on both sides. Simple as. No difference.

Great comeback

No difference my ass, as expected, no hope

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I denied Isreal targeting citizens?
Where'd you get that from?

My bad. Mistook you for another poster. Apologies.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Great comeback

No difference my ass, as expected, no hope

There are innocents being slaughtered on both sides.
Great comeback. Sure Mr rollyeyes. Whatever helps you sleep.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Pepsi.

The world has a terrorist organization in Hamas. Do you think this organization should be eliminated? If so, do you think it is possible to eliminate Hamas without civilian casualties?

Should countries other than Israel join in and help eliminate Hamas?

I’m not baiting here. Unfortunately, there are no time machines. We can’t go back 80 years, 2000 years, heck we can’t even go back a week before the music festival started.

The line in the sand of time is now. Should Hamas be eliminated, or maybe should Israel try and negotiate with Hamas? How should Israel and other countries deal with this? I don’t expect you to have all the answers, just curious what your opinion is.

Hamas should absolutely be eliminated and eliminated as soon as possible. I do not think it’s possible to eliminate them without civilian casualties. And I think other countries should help. I don’t think there’s really any negotiating with them.

However, I don’t believe that gives them the freedom to pursue that goal however they want and disregard however many civilians lives they feel is necessary to accomplish it.

Collective punishment, un-achievable evacuation orders, punishing and endangering civilians while blaming a terrorist organization for making you punish those civilians because they won’t give into your demands… I think it’s all ridiculous. And that’s just post-Oct 7.

There are approx. 30,000 members of Hamas in Gaza. Israel’s attacks on Gaza have killed a few hundred, along with over 1000 civilians and over 700 children. Even if it was 1-for-1, is 30,000 dead children worth that? People are rightfully grief-stricken over the children killed by Hamas, but are we OK with Israel killing tens of thousands of them? What’s the limit? A few hundred dead Israeli children is a tragedy, tens of thousands of dead Palestinian children would just be the cost of war?

Honestly, I don’t even know why people keep asking these questions. Saying “hey, Palestinian civilians matter just as much” or suggesting Israel should follow laws or be held to a higher standard than terrorists has so far been met with accusations of racism, anti-semitism, propaganda, being too virtuous, death wishes, hating Israel, being a nazi-sympathizer, etc. It’s ridiculous, because these are sentiments shared by the United Nations, Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, and high-profile Israeli and Jewish commentators and politicians across the world.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Sure mate.
I see innocents being killed on both sides. Simple as. No difference.

Do you agree that even though innocents are being killed on both sides, that one actually targets innocents while the other targets their enemy who hide behind innocents?

Very graphic video of events last Saturday. Remember, this was planned, trained for and entirely intentional.

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1713110679782302003

Its all gross when it comes to deaths of civilians be it women, children, seniors or anyone who has little to nothing to do with what is happening. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

Here though we had an act and declaration of war from Hamas and the Israelis have little choice but to retaliate against those very same people who arranged and financed the slaughter.

They HAVE to strike Hamas down where they are or risk it happening yet again....they choose to be among the civil population, so guess what happens at that point?

It's unfortunate that the radicals hold so little regard for life, but they are deciding who suffers by where they are and who gets affected by their presence.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Officials in Israel's own government have said that they will build settlements because of religious reasons and some here still are saying that if only Palestinians put down their weapons we can have peace.

But… but… it’s not about religion! It’s about ethno-religion and rights to lands from 2,000 years ago. It’s in their blood!!!

Btw, that goes for both sides. Both are guilty. Both are full of ####. Both should get over this stupid crap.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It's unfortunate that the radicals hold so little regard for life, but they are deciding who suffers by where they are and who gets affected by their presence.

Why do people believe Israel has so little agency? If Israel is completely beholden to radicals that decide where, when, and how many civilians Israel will have to sacrifice, is that really a government people should be backing?

“Sorry we killed more children than the terrorists. They made us do it. If the terrorists just did the right thing then all of this could have been avoided” is some of the wildest attempts at passing the buck I’ve ever seen.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

But… but… it’s not about religion! It’s about ethno-religion and rights to lands from 2,000 years ago. It’s in their blood!!!

Btw, that goes for both sides. Both are guilty. Both are full of ####. Both should get over this stupid crap.

Brilliant input, way to contribute to the convo with this amazing insight. I don’t know why we haven’t thought of it yet. Just get over this stupid crap! Easy.

[transplant99]

I have no idea what you are on about.

Hamas declared war on Israel.

Israel is obligated to retaliate against them.

Where are Hamas? Among the civilians and in the tunnels beneath Gaza.....so where the hell else are they supposed to fight them? Someplace where they aren't?

[WCW Nitro]

It really is hard to fathom that even after cutting off food and water to Gaza and bombing three convoys of people trying to flee, some are still asserting that Israel doesn't target civilians.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

It really is hard to fathom that even after cutting off food and water to Gaza and bombing three convoys of people trying to flee, some are still asserting that Israel doesn't target civilians.

Welcome to war, thank Hamas for that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Pointman

You do realize, West Bank and Gaza are two different factions, who hate each other?

Yes, that article has nothing to do with Hamas or Gaza. It is just outlining how many people have been killed in the West Bank this week.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Brilliant input, way to contribute to the convo with this amazing insight. I don’t know why we haven’t thought of it yet. Just get over this stupid crap! Easy.

Oh look who is back … if I were you I would stay out of this thread and refrain from posting. Clearly you cannot communicate in a constructive way.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Leondros

Oh look who is back … if I were you I would stay out of this thread and refrain from posting. Clearly you cannot communicate in a constructive way.

Ok I will stop posting for you

Just get over this stupid crap!

[activeStick]

Some good reporting right now on Al Jazeera about how Israel purposely cut off the Gaza strip from the rest of the world by not allowing journalists into the area by announcing their siege, cutting off water, food and power and that the only video we're seeing of the destruction and genocide happening is from local Gazan journalists capturing video and then trying to find spotty internet access to share with the world. But even that will end in the next couple of days and all the world will see then is what Israel allows us to see. Over 700 Palestinian children killed already. This is so, so wrong.