Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Incredibly sad seeing these innocent people being wiped out.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1712548404050669837

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status...91941269532976

On Sky news ex Israeli PM Naftali Bennett was asked-

"What about the babies in incubators in Gaza who's life support has been turned off because the Israelis have cut off the power"

His answer - Are you serious asking about Palestinian civilians? What's wrong with you?

Let me answer this question better. Power would be restored if Hamas released Israeli hostages, some of whom are also children. And some of those hostages are not even Israelis, but rather citizens of other countries, such as Thai.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not sure why I'm so special!


Honestly I have no idea. It's gone wrong for so long I don't know what to do about it. One thing Israel COULD do is stop the settlements and gradual swiss cheezing of the West Bank. It's hard to say Hamas is the fault of all problems when you are breaking international law for no good reason(I know, the good reason is to take all the West Bank eventually). It's one of the reasons I don't want anything to do with getting Israeli citizenship. Obviously this does very little for the immediate situation.

While issues of West Bank are important on their own right, I'm still waiting for someone to explain, how they are relevant to the current war. Gazans/Hamas actually hate West Bank/Fatah. Gazans killed or expelled West Bank authorities from Gaza, and West Bank authorities, in response, supported the blockade of Gaza. People make it sound like Hamas is revenging for Israel crimes at West Bank. But this argument fails because Hamas and West Bank hate each other.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Let me answer this question better. Power would be restored if Hamas released Israeli hostages, some of whom are also children. And some of those hostages are not even Israelis, but rather citizens of other countries, such as Thai.

Let's face it. The hostages are all very likely dead and were within hours of them being taken. It's a reasonable request, but likely not one that can be fulfilled.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Let's face it. The hostages are all very likely dead and were within hours of them being taken. It's a reasonable request, but likely not one that can be fulfilled.

Then Hamas needs to declare them dead, admit that they can't release hostages because they are dead and try to negotiate some other deal. As long, as Hamas claims that they have hostages, Israel will keep power and water off.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

????

https://twitter.com/user/status/1712446982403342616

????

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

Hmm, I’ve yet to see a militant Christian jihad in my lifetime (perhaps the Troubles). But we have witnessed factions such as ISIS and Hamas, whose biggest goal is a jihad. Not even including governments such as the Taliban. Islam, being a younger religion makes sense, but this isn’t the Middle Ages any more

98% of the terrorism that happens in the usa are from white nationalist...That's the Fbi saying that.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Which is a bit tragic considering Israel used to fund and support Hamas as a counterweight against the PLO.

That's how the world works. An Enemy of my Enemy is a friend... until you've shown all your cards to that "friend" and help them get setup financially. That "friend" is going to want to be on the same level as their "mentor"

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Which is a bit tragic considering Israel used to fund and support Hamas as a counterweight against the PLO.

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Even if this is true, If Hamas had thought of it and had the connections, they would have done one first. Get off your high horse.

Sorry Ive sat at the sidelines.

The Jews have done ####ed up ####. Hamas and Palestinians have done ####ed up ####.

Theyve all done ####ed up ####.

People need to get off their high horses.On both sides.

Im sorry that was unnecessary and aggressive but this bickering back and forth will have no end.

Your not wrong. It's religious zealots on both sides wanting to end the other.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Nah I lived through the troubles, Irish kids might take a bit of stick now and then after a bombing but on the whole we didn't blame them or Catholics in general, bombs came with a warning so that civilians weren't killed, it went wrong some times but compared to Muslim terror it was incredibly gentlemanly

I have to call myself out here, as I reread this after going for a bike ride I realise the term Muslim terror is both inaccurate and racist, there is no such thing and allowing myself to fall into such and easy and insulting generalization is wholly inappropriate and for that I apologise to our Muslim posters, of course what I meant was ISIS and Hamas terror but they no more represent all Muslims than the IRA represented all Irish, once again I'm sorry

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I have to call myself out here, as I reread this after going for a bike ride I realise the term Muslim terror is both inaccurate and racist, there is no such thing and allowing myself to fall into such and easy and insulting generalization is wholly inappropriate and for that I apologise to our Muslim posters, of course what I meant was ISIS and Hamas terror but they no more represent all Muslims than the IRA represented all Irish, once again I'm sorry

It's an easy mistake man, the last words heard on the flight 175 black box before hitting the trade center was allah, allah, allah - allahu akbar, ISIS used these type of terms before beheading western hostages and even now in Israel/Gaza with the murders and atrocities they seem to always bring up allah when committing murder against someone non-Muslim.

99.9% of Muslims would never do these violent acts but like any group, the loud ones get the attention.

Religion sucks and is stupid.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's an easy mistake man, the last words heard on the flight 175 black box before hitting the trade center was allah, allah, allah - allahu akbar, ISIS used these type of terms before beheading western hostages and even now in Israel/Gaza with the murders and atrocities they seem to always bring up allah when committing murder against someone non-Muslim.

99.9% of Muslims would never do these violent acts but like any group, the loud ones get the attention.

Religion sucks and is stupid.

Thanks, but in a conversation like this it is even more important to hold ourselves to account and being a foster parent I should know better, god knows how many bloody awful racial sensitivity awareness training courses I have had to attend over the years, I can't say they taught me much but they were clear you shouldn't be a dick (and it was a dick statement) and also while you can't touch a medicine bundle it's ok to see what's inside (that's a jail thing)

[Bagor]

Nvm

[FlamesAddiction]

Some of the live streams are insane. One of them in Gaza just showed a crap load of rockets being launched, but it looks like the iron dome worked as intended. All they did was likely give away their positions and signed the death warrants of the people around them.

[Pointman]

A gentle reminder that Israel did not sign a convention that bans using white phosphorus in civilian areas:

While the use of the substance in warzones is not banned outright under international law, use near civilians is prohibited under the United Nations Convention on Conventional Weapons, to which Israel is not a signatory

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...-civilians-hrw

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I am shocked, I was told Israel never targets civilians.

At this point it's obvious that Hamas wants as many civilian casualties, as possible. Israel does not specifically want to kill civilians, but is not overly concerned if they will die either. Egypt has no intention to let refugees into their country, however much money and help US promised them for taking refugees. Gotta admit, being born into Gaza is one of the biggest misfortunes,that can happen to a new baby.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Pointman

A gentle reminder that Israel did not sign a convention that bans using white phosphorus in civilian areas:

While the use of the substance in warzones is not banned outright under international law, use near civilians is prohibited under the United Nations Convention on Conventional Weapons, to which Israel is not a signatory

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/...-civilians-hrw

I guess that makes it ok then? That makes it more humane?

What exactly is your point man?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by _Q_

This is really interesting and didn't really think that israelis viewed it as two separate issues.

To Palestinians, issues in the West Bank are just as important as issues in Gaza. In the same way as, if there was an invasion happening in Ontario, people in Alberta wouldn't just dismiss at and move on with their lives.

Many people, including you, keep bringing up some killings, illegal settling and other crimes, that Israel allegedly does at West Bank. This appears to present Hamas actions as some kind of revenge for Israelis killing West Bank citizens. However, this is not really the case. Hamas themselves killed West Bank/Fatah Palestinians:


Strangling Necks’: Abduction, torture and summary killings of Palestinians by Hamas forces during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict highlights a series of abuses, such as the extrajudicial execution of at least 23 Palestinians and the arrest and torture of dozens of others, including members and supporters of Hamas’s political rivals, Fatah


https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...2014-conflict/

[curves2000]

I havent been on CP and paying much attention to news lately as I am taking a much needed break from things like that.

This entire scenario across the board is just tragic and heart breaking. It shouldnt come to this at all in 2023.

We have had issues with this conflict for far too long and it needs to be settled globally. Everybody is paying the price.

The global community has an opportunity to literally fix this problem once things officially calm down. A mediated and concrete settlement with BOTH sides literally winning and losing significant aspects of important things to them.

I will repeat that the world needs to solve this problem for this region, global security is at risk and far too important for these two groups to literally not be able to solve it. 8 or 9 decades of this conflict is plenty.

Hammas needs to go, that much everybody with a brain knows.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Even if this is true, If Hamas had thought of it and had the connections, they would have done one first. Get off your high horse.

Sorry Ive sat at the sidelines.

The Jews have done ####ed up ####. Hamas and Palestinians have done ####ed up ####.

Theyve all done ####ed up ####.

People need to get off their high horses.On both sides.

Im sorry that was unnecessary and aggressive but this bickering back and forth will have no end.

K ur right, Israel is good to just continue indiscriminately bombing civilians and putting out dystopian ads to rile up support for genocide by smoothbrains.

Sorry I hurt your feelings with my opinions.