Lol only people calling for genocide is the Palestinians and their supporters chanting from River to Sea. Please enlightened us Q, what does that entail?
Just imagine if the Palestinians for the last 40 years used diplomatic aid for schools, housing, diplomatic initiatives. Imagine if they recognized their place at the negotiating table after waging and losing war after war and still having the other side willing to negotiate. Stop the victim blaming and start recognizing Palestinians put themselves into this situation with their war mongering
Sorry to break it to you but there are Israeli MPs who are calling for the elimination of Palestinians as well. You are blindsided by your ideology but I'm certain you don't care.
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"There is no such thing as a Palestinian nation. There is no Palestinian history. There is no Palestinian language," he said in France late Sunday. He spoke at a lectern draped with what appeared to be an image showing the map of Israel that included the occupied West Bank, Gaza and Jordan.
Jordan's Foreign Ministry said that Smotrich's appearance with the icon was a "reckless inflammatory act and a violation of international norms and the peace treaty" between the two countries.
Palestinian Prime Minister Mohammad Shtayyeh said Smotrich's remarks were "conclusive evidence of the extremist, racist Zionist ideology that governs the parties of the current Israeli government."
A far-right settler leader who opposes Palestinian statehood, Smotrich has a history of offensive statements against the Palestinians. Last month, he called for the Palestinian town of Hawara in the West Bank to be "erased" after radical Jewish settlers rampaged through the town in response to a shooting attack that killed two Israelis. Smotrich later apologized after an international uproar.
Sorry to break it to you but there are Israeli MPs who are calling for the elimination of Palestinians as well. You are blindsided by your ideology but I'm certain you don't care.
Israel could have committed genocide many moons ago, how quickly do you think it would take the Palestinians to inflict one? The answer was given two days ago. Israelis work and live next to Arabs everyday in a Jewish country. You think this would happen if the Palestinians were in charge? Please. What we saw was only a tiny taste of what would occur if Israel would have lost any war previously and any war in the future.
Interesting, did Israel wage war with Germany after the Holocaust? Did Japan wage war with the United States after the nuclear bomb? No, most societies recognize their place in the world, make peace, and move on. When your society is filled with backwards religious 12th century thinking this is what you get.
What a stupid analogy. But then again, stupidity and bigotry do tend to run hand-in-hand.
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Some of the bickering in this thread is through the roof. I'm sure there are a lot of good points from multiple posters with different angles, but you wouldn't think it from the semantic arguments on the most petty things.
There are people in here who have literally said of other posters that they want violence to happen to them. There are, on this very page, unsupported allegations of bigotry and racism. But if you use the F word, you're banned. Makes sense, right?
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I'm not informed and want to read more about the various arguments but when someone can't even post a video and others jump on "it's so and so, so it's irrelevant". Isn't that the definition of an ad hominem argument?
It absolutely is, but if you're agreeing that you're not informed - that is, you haven't taken the time to inform yourself before now - it seems likely that you're not going to watch everything anyone could produce on the subject. Who would blame you? You have limited time, like everyone. So if you're only going to watch a handful of videos, or read a handful of sources, you're better off ignoring the ones that present the situation from the perspective of a dishonest, pre-determined ideological agenda, like a couple that were posted on the last page. Some people poison their own well, and simply aren't worth wasting time listening to... and Ben Shapiro definitely falls into that category.
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What a stupid analogy. But then again, stupidity and bigotry do tend to run hand-in-hand.
Ah, so my reply to someone making a defence of Hamas raping, pillaging, and mass murdering people was stupid! Sure. Enjoy discussing this topic, the victim blaming has already started which doesn’t surprise me. Hamas could have killed 10x more yesterday and people will still make excuses for them and also remind us all that the democratically elected Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinians views.
Hamas are a bunch of religious fanatics who think that dying in the pursuit of their goals guarantees that they go to heaven. Hamas are the useful idiots.
The people who funded this, and likely planned most of it, don't actually live in Gaza. So they don't really care what happens to Gaza. The worse the retaliation, the easier it is to recruit future religious fanatic useful idiots.
Yes, it’s useless to expect some kind of rational political strategy on the part of the Palestinians here. The sponsors of the attacks have their own goals (the derailment of further rapprochement between Israel and the Arab world), but the ones on the ground doing the killing are simply fanatics who want to see monstrous numbers of deaths on both sides. They’re no different from ISIS or the murderers who shot up Paris and terrorized Mumbai - in their eyes, death is its own reward. God is great.
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Archeological evidence about land ownership will always create a tie between a people and that land. It's literal evidence of history in that land.
They are genuine arguments and are considered legal evidence in Canadian courts for establishing where Indigenous peoples have historical and traditional territories. Oral history is also considered legal evidence. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply in other parts of the world in some situation.
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Ah, so my reply to someone making a defence of Hamas raping, pillaging, and mass murdering people was stupid! Sure. Enjoy discussing this topic, the victim blaming has already started which doesn’t surprise me. Hamas could have killed 10x more yesterday and people will still make excuses for them and also remind us all that the democratically elected Hamas doesn’t represent Palestinians views.
Please don't twist my words. I spoke against calling 2 million people animals. Nothing else.
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Please don't twist my words. I spoke against calling 2 million people animals. Nothing else.
“How long do you treat a man like a beast before he behaves like a beast”
Sounds like a defence to me.
I was referring to Hamas, the democratically elected terror group that controls Gaza. They would control the West Bank too if Fatah permitted elections.
They are genuine arguments and are considered legal evidence in Canadian courts for establishing where Indigenous peoples have historical and traditional territories. Oral history is also considered legal evidence. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply in other parts of the world in some situation.
My ororiginal point was that living in Canada, and using archeological evidence to support Israeli rights to sovereignty over land but not holding the same standard for Indigenous peoples in Canada is hypocritical.
Please don't twist my words. I spoke against calling 2 million people animals. Nothing else.
Beninho and a very select couple of others seem to either believe, or think anyone else will believe, that any defence of the innocent Palestinians caught in all this is a defacto defence of Hamas. That a certain type of person should be able to write off another type of person as animals, or express their hatred of those people, or wish death on those people (or anyone who might defend them).
Make no mistake, your words are being twisted on purpose, but they are entirely fair and entirely clear to literally anyone else reading them. Calling Palestinians “animals” is disgusting.
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Beninho and a very select couple of others seem to either believe, or think anyone else will believe, that any defence of the innocent Palestinians caught in all this is a defacto defence of Hamas. That a certain type of person should be able to write off another type of person as animals, or express their hatred of those people, or wish death on those people (or anyone who might defend them).
Make no mistake, your words are being twisted on purpose, but they are entirely fair and entirely clear to literally anyone else reading them. Calling Palestinians “animals” is disgusting.
Was referring to Hamas, the terror group democratically elected by the Palestinians of Gaza
Should we give a run down to all of the demonic things Palestinians do to Palestinians? Torture, permitted rape, women treated as second class, no more like 3rd class citizens, child soldiers, relief fund for bombs and not schools, mass persecutions of gays. Should we go on? Was the events of two days ago not enough for you to realize tha animals Israel lives next to?
Sure. As long as it is from sort of reputable, unbiased source.
Why don't you address the data and the point instead of dismissing it as a nothing burger.
Is this how you justify the killings in the past of over 900 children and 3000 civilians in the last 10 years? By dehumanizing them as animals?
Was referring to Hamas, the terror group democratically elected by the Palestinians of Gaza
Sure you were.
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So my claims of what Palestinians do to their own people is incorrect? Torturing gays doesnt happen? Women having no rights is a myth? Human shields? Sexual assault at insane scales? What have I said that is islamaphobic? These are societal facts. And ive been active before this event started, literally for months lol
The Arab world is a hotbed for religious extremism. Is that Islamaphobia? Lol, go use your buzz words somewhere else
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Lol only people calling for genocide is the Palestinians and their supporters chanting from River to Sea. Please enlightened us Q, what does that entail?
Just imagine if the Palestinians for the last 40 years used diplomatic aid for schools, housing, diplomatic initiatives. Imagine if they recognized their place at the negotiating table after waging and losing war after war and still having the other side willing to negotiate. Stop the victim blaming and start recognizing Palestinians put themselves into this situation with their war mongering
And your response to the original comment suggesting that’s not appropriate language was to justify why it’s OK to call Palestinians that:
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No good can come from whitewashing the facts on the ground. Palestinians support Hamas, this crazy notion that they do not is entirely false. Read the books they give their kids in elementary. Systemic hatred is bread not only in Palestine but throughout the Arab world.
Was referring to Hamas, the terror group democratically elected by the Palestinians of Gaza
No, you have been attacking all sorts of people as a collective and not just Hamas. You are not some sort of morally superior individual.
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One could only imagine what these animals would do with an actual state. Oh wait we can, look at syria. Scum of the earth society. The only country in the region with any sense of decency is Israel.
One side has morals, the others does not. Clear as day to see
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Actual data about support for Hamas among Palestinians from the Palestinian Center for Policy (with the caveat that I know nothing about this organization or its polling methodology) - https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/...ber%202023.pdf
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If new parliamentary elections were held today with the participation of all political forces that participated in the 2006 elections, 64% say they would participate in them, and among these participants, Fateh receives 36%, Hamas' Change and Reform 34%, all other lists combined 9%, and 21% say they have not yet decided whom they will vote for.
Three months ago, vote for Hamas stood at 34% and Fatah at 33%. Vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip stands today at 44% (compared to 44% three months ago) and for Fateh at 32% (compared to 28% three months ago). In the West Bank, vote for Hamas stands at 24% (compared to 25% three months ago) and Fatah at 40% (compared to 34% three months ago).
A little over a quarter (27%) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 24% believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving; 44% believe both are unworthy of representation and leadership.
Three months ago, 31% said Hamas is the most deserving, 21% said Fateh led by Abbas is the most deserving, and 43% said both are unworthy of representation and leadership.
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