Israel declares war on Hamas

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by blankall

Israel stopped the bus transfers, once gain, after rocket fire from Gaza started:

https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/...ket-fire-stops



Once again, we're seeing some revisionist history around timelines. Israel blockades were in response to Hamas attacks, not the other way around.

The AMA had all sorts of opposition from Israelis and Israel officials to the point where it really wasn't something that many Israelis wanted anyways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/w...pite-deal.html

[Fuzz]

Jared Kushner still trying to work out what this means for his bringing of peace to the region.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I suggest people watch this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711418033913078162

It discusses and outlines the events the points and a lot of the misinformation used by the pro Palestinian side. I'm personally not planning to post in this thread again.

Ben Shapiro should not be posted as a definitive source of reliable information on any topic.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Pizza

updated with fixes to each video

They will be the same ones crying in a week time. Hamas lost their sympathy card this go around. The world will not be intervening while Israel systematically destroys them over the next coming months. No ceasefire, no negotiations with Egypt and Qatar, no concessions. Their fate has been stamped and because of them their people will bare the brunt of their actions.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Ben Shapiro should not be posted as a definitive source of reliable information on any topic.

But of course places like the NY times are always reliable because they support Palestinians.

I love the mental gymnastics some of you have to do to protect the filth that is the Hamas.

They can't use their own citizens as meat shields anymore. Ammo storage under civilian buildings will be destroyed. Underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure will be destroyed. Mosques, schools, and hospitals won't be used as military centers. That train has passed. I'm not trying to get a moral high ground here, but i don't have any empathy for the population that was just celebrating cheering and electing Hamas.

Israel is fighting for its survival. It is an existential war. That's what you get when the other side is only trying to execute every last man woman and child that live in your country. There will be atrocities committed by both sides, that's what this kind of war and hatred generates. I wish the ground operation in Gaza won't stop until Israel fully annexes it, restores order, and anhilates the Hamas.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I'm personally not planning to post in this thread again.

Be strong. Do not let anyone silence you. You have our full support in these tragic days.

Bono tearing up night in Las Vegas:

https://twitter.com/U2/status/1711362609021382694

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

But of course places like the NY times are always reliable because they support Palestinians.

I love the mental gymnastics some of you have to do to protect the filth that is the Hamas.

They can't use their own citizens as meat shields anymore. Ammo storage under civilian buildings will be destroyed. Underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure will be destroyed. Mosques, schools, and hospitals won't be used as military centers. That train has passed. I'm not trying to get a moral high ground here, but i don't have any empathy for the population that was just celebrating cheering and electing Hamas.

Israel is fighting for its survival. It is an existential war. That's what you get when the other side is only trying to execute every last man woman and child that live in your country. There will be atrocities committed by both sides, that's what this kind of war and hatred generates. I wish the ground operation in Gaza won't stop until Israel fully annexes it, restores order, and anhilates the Hamas.

Much of this can be true and Ben Shapiro is still an idiot.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Be strong. Do not let anyone silence you. You have our full support in these tragic days.

Bono tearing up night in Las Vegas:

https://twitter.com/U2/status/1711362609021382694

The thread is better off with less people expressing hatred and death wishes for other posters.

And Ben Shapiro is a grade A idiot.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The AMA had all sorts of opposition from Israelis and Israel officials to the point where it really wasn't something that many Israelis wanted anyways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/31/w...pite-deal.html

At this point the Palestinians had fired over a 1000 rockets and mortars from Gaza and Israel had no Iron Dome technology.

Not so surprising we see an Op-Ed piece on why Israel is solely in the wrong. All this proves is:

1. Hamas has been sabotaging peace since day 1; and
2. Hamas apologists have been downplaying, the clearly very real, threat of Hamas since day 1.

Once again, cutting off Gaza wasn't even a unilateral move. Both the Palestinian Authority and Egypt cut off the Gaza Strip too.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

But of course places like the NY times are always reliable because they support Palestinians.

I love the mental gymnastics some of you have to do to protect the filth that is the Hamas.

They can't use their own citizens as meat shields anymore. Ammo storage under civilian buildings will be destroyed. Underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure will be destroyed. Mosques, schools, and hospitals won't be used as military centers. That train has passed. I'm not trying to get a moral high ground here, but i don't have any empathy for the population that was just celebrating cheering and electing Hamas.

Israel is fighting for its survival. It is an existential war. That's what you get when the other side is only trying to execute every last man woman and child that live in your country. There will be atrocities committed by both sides, that's what this kind of war and hatred generates. I wish the ground operation in Gaza won't stop until Israel fully annexes it, restores order, and anhilates the Hamas.

If you want to share pro-Israel stuff that is fine and there are countless sources available but Ben Shapiro is the largest piece of garbage among all the scum right wing "journalists"/commentators. You can do better than Shapiro.

[CaptainCrunch]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711451405368627510


I think that's a pretty easy no for Israel unless the terms of the ceasefire is that every single Hamas fighter and leader including the senior leadership drops their weapons and marches out into an open field for arrest to face possible execution.


Especially since in the Hamas dictionary Ceasefire is defined as reload period.

[Manhattanboy]

“Achieved its targets”. The slaughter of 250 young people at a music festival for peace.

Can you imagine the giddyness of Hamas leadership at that planning meeting when they learned of the Supernova Music Festival that would be taking place late into the night on October 7 only 4 km from the border.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Two points, cutting off supplies to an enemy country is not a war crime, never has been, we cut off everything from Germany in 1939, Gaza is a country, fully independent, they also have a border with Egypt, Hamas has had 20 years to go to its Muslim backers and ask for help in building desalination plants, create an infrastructure for the country that they fully control, there are no Israeli settlements in Gaza, if it needs Israel to survive as we need the US then it has to accept Israel's existence, it has to accept its borders and work with Israel, to be frank Hamas and the backers of Gaza sound like my teenage foster kid smashing the TV in a fit of pique and then complaining their parents wont buy them a new TV, they have a country they control, they should have built things instead of engaging in an endless unwinnable war with Israel with the stated and absurd aim of wiping Israel of the face of the earth

None of that changes the reality. If a military encircles a region and prevents noncombatants from accessing food and water while also preventing them from leaving the area for a long enough period of time that they start dying en masse, it is a war crime.

What has happened to this point means essentially nothing. Obviously the Palestinians should have accepted Israel's right to existence and worked towards peace on that basis as much as possible. But that doesn't excuse war crimes if Israel ends up starving the population. Yes (as I mentioned), there is still the border with Egypt. But in the past Israel has enforced blockades there as well, so it's not a given that it's up to Egypt to allow food and water to get into Gaza.

In all likelihood it'll never get to that. I don't suspect the US will allow a long-term full blockade of Gaza if it's going to result in people starving, and Israel can't do anything major without the blessing of the US.


Also I have no idea why you're talking about WWII. The conventions and international laws were enacted after WWII because of the conduct during the World Wars. You might as well be saying using mustard gas is OK because they did in WWI.

[Itse]

For the record; No matter how much I understand why so many have joined Hamas to take out their rage and hatred on the Israel...

Saying that Israel needs to take responsibility for what it has done over time to create this event, that doesn't wash away the responsibility of those in Hamas who chose to do what they do. The people who did the terrorism are still terrorists who have committed horrible and stupid violence on a massive scale. That can't be shrugged away with "well the other side started it".

The reasons why Hamas took control in Palestine with force, and the reasons they distrust democracy are more complicated than "they're evil". It doesn't make it okay, the situation should still be changed, it's just that if Hamas is simply treated as Bad People, there's no way out of this conflict outside of a genocide. (That doesn't make Hamas the good guys, and yes a lot of them are obviously kind of rotten. Recognizing and understanding the circumstances that created a lot of violent and hateful people doesn't make those people something other than what they are now.)

It's just that if the the cycle of retributions is ever going to slow down and maybe stop, it's extremely important to at least try and stop this from just breeding more hatred, and for that to happen, we need the larger context. People need to be more sad and desperate for this to stop than angry.

Each individual act of violence is hateful. Taken together they are a tragedy.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

But of course places like the NY times are always reliable because they support Palestinians.

I love the mental gymnastics some of you have to do to protect the filth that is the Hamas.

They can't use their own citizens as meat shields anymore. Ammo storage under civilian buildings will be destroyed. Underground tunnels under civilian infrastructure will be destroyed. Mosques, schools, and hospitals won't be used as military centers. That train has passed. I'm not trying to get a moral high ground here, but i don't have any empathy for the population that was just celebrating cheering and electing Hamas.

Israel is fighting for its survival. It is an existential war. That's what you get when the other side is only trying to execute every last man woman and child that live in your country. There will be atrocities committed by both sides, that's what this kind of war and hatred generates. I wish the ground operation in Gaza won't stop until Israel fully annexes it, restores order, and anhilates the Hamas.

It's crazy what people can openly call for and support...as long as it's a military doing it

[FLAME ENVY]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711451405368627510


I think that's a pretty easy no for Israel unless the terms of the ceasefire is that every single Hamas fighter and leader including the senior leadership drops their weapons and marches out into an open field for arrest to face possible execution.


Especially since in the Hamas dictionary Ceasefire is defined as reload period.

This is totally laughable. If anything, it probably invigorates Israeli's and the IDF more.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FLAME ENVY

This is totally laughable. If anything, it probably invigorates Israeli's and the IDF more.

I don't see Israel being super keen to entertain Hamas' hostage demands at this stage. Use of language like "having achieved its targets" - in reference to a slaughter of civilians at a music festival - is going to infuriate the Israelis.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

It's crazy what people can openly call for and support...as long as it's a military doing it

Amazing what you can defend when you label it as “resistance”

[activeStick]

A representative of Oxfam who is in Gaza right now was told in an interview that Israel has warned the people of Gaza to leave as some here have mentioned, but he confirms that this is news to them in Gaza and besides, there's no where to leave to anyways.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1711459417177162002

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't see Israel being super keen to entertain Hamas' hostage demands at this stage. Use of language like "having achieved its targets" - in reference to a slaughter of civilians at a music festival - is going to infuriate the Israelis.

It’s deliberate. Like the videos. All part of their ongoing campaign to inflict maximum psychological terror.