Israel declares war on Hamas

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Judaism is a religion how can you be Jewish and not follow the tenants?

Also didn't you come out as in favour of Ukraines invasion?

Jews are a nation, not a religion. Some if them follow the religion of Judaism, but others don't.

I deeply condemned the Ukrainian invasion and left Russia because of it.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Jews are a nation, not a religion. Some if them follow the religion of Judaism, but others don't.

I deeply condemned the Ukrainian invasion and left Russia because of it.

Actually, being a jew is considered a culture not recognized as a ethnicity. A culture that in large is depicted by the tenants of Judaism. That's why you have people say I'm a jew but not practicing. It means they are not a devote follow but they participate within the community. A community that is lead by the teachings of Judaism. You don't have to be devoted just participate in the community and respect its linage. There is no ethnicity requirements

All I personally see in Isreal are a bunch of white Jewish immigrants from Europe justify them killing Arabs , de homing them etc


If they are a ethnic group why can you just change your religion to be one?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Actually, being a jew is considered a culture not recognized as a ethnicity. A culture that in large is depicted by the tenants of Judaism. That's why you have people say I'm a jew but not practicing. It means they are not a devote follow but they participate within the community. A community that is lead by the teachings of Judaism. You don't have to be devoted just participate in the community and respect its linage. There is no ethnicity requirements

Huh? Jews are an ethnicity.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Huh? Jews are an ethnicity.

Show your work.

Most jews identify as Ashkenazi. Also known as germanic jews . 92% of the Jewish population identifies as Caucasian as the roots dictate most believers were central and Eastern Europeans. Alot of the known recorded history actaully comes from the jew- Roman conflicts.

With out going into a 5 page rant yes , jews do have an ethnicity the world's population is overwhelmingly white.

Isreal is overwhelmingly in population is white. Their country is trying to destroy and occupy Arabs which yes is not an ethnicity ether but are most noticeably not whites almost never .

[FlamesAddiction]

For those that enjoyed the terrorist attack on Israel, what do you think the point was of killing Shani Louk, stripping her body naked, and parading her away? Is necrophilia an important part of the Palestinian struggle?

If anything, this recent activity justifies Israel's heavy handed approach.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The point is using the Bible to impose historical accuracy is a joke. It's a fable.

Quoted for truth.

Even Jesus Christ himself is a fable, how else can it be explained that it took 125 years for his name to be mentioned? we are suppose to believe the Romans who tabled just about everything decided to leave out they killed the most important historical figure in history

"God" I hate religion

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

For those that enjoyed the terrorist attack on Israel, what do you think the point was of killing Shani Louk, stripping he body naked, and taking it away was? What is the purpose of doing something like that? Is necrophilia an important part of the Palestinian struggle?

Who enjoyed it ? Who? Name names if you think that.

No one here expressed enjoyment here . Your reaching.

No one enjoyed it. Not being surprised is another thing.

What isreal has been doing is modern day colonialism. It was terrible what happened full stop . It's not surprising tho. What happened. When you surpress a culture for a 80 years you can't be surprised they finally fight back.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Funny you mention morocco.
I have a co worker who started working for us this year. He is the most positive, upbeat person ever. His family and village were just outside the earthquake zone and he was never was negative. Even with his wife and 2 children (one 9nly a few monthsold) he was never negative, only positive.

I told him about what's going on and he just said "My friend, It's a shame . Israel will now use this to kill many Arabs every where. We only just have peace in my home land with them but this will no doubt sour any headway we made. "


The overall tone was the Arab countries want to be peaceful with Isreal but they also really don't agree with how Isreal treats the Palestinians. That's always a sore spot for them and they understand the frustration why the population tolerates hamas as they see them as fighters for their rights as Arabs to exist without appartied conditions. The view is if Isreal was more kind towards Arabs in general hamas wouldn't have risen to such power . The rise was due to the anger of the treatment of Arabs., their mosques and h9mes.

The problem with this view is it ignores the actions of Arab countries who invaded Israel in '49 '67 and again in '72, I mean I have a huge issue with much of Israeli policy since the 80's but I fully understand how constantly being invaded and having to fight for you very existence, 3 times in 25 years, against overwhelmingly superior armies (on paper) and all of this a scant 5 years after your family was being slaughtered by the Nazis is going to leave you a bit effing angry.

The reality is Palestinians worst enemy isnt Israel, it has always been other Arab countries who kept the conflict going because it played well with their domestic audience while the Palestinians always paid the price, the best thing that could happen for the average Palestinian would be they told the rest of the Arab world to pound salt, went to Israel and the US and said they accepted they had lost and unconditionally gave up fighting, asked for economic help, educational opportunities, any thing to improve their ####ty existence, basically grovel, but that's a hard pill to swallow

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The problem with this view is it ignores the actions of Arab countries who invaded Israel in '49 '67 and again in '72, I mean I have a huge issue with much of Israeli policy since the 80's but I fully understand how constantly being invaded and having to fight for you very existence, 3 times in 25 years, against overwhelmingly superior armies (on paper) and all of this a scant 5 years after your family was being slaughtered by the Nazis is going to leave you a bit effing angry.

The reality is Palestinians worst enemy isnt Israel, it has always been other Arab countries who kept the conflict going because it played well with their domestic audience while the Palestinians always paid the price, the best thing that could happen for the average Palestinian would be they told the rest of the Arab world to pound salt, went to Israel and the US and said they accepted they had lost and unconditionally gave up fighting, asked for economic help, educational opportunities, any thing to improve their ####ty existence, basically grovel, but that's a hard pill to swallow

O you mean the Arab countries that invaded after the British just deemed that this is now just Isreal deal with it?

The British won the land against the ottoman empire . They promised the Jewish population of Europe you side with us we will give you a land to call your own. So they dropped them their.
I completely understand why Arabs would be 100% okay with this

This happened after ww1 . This is part of the reason Hitler was able to rile up the German popolulous against the jews was the action the British government did.

The British government gave the jews the previously Palestine controlled area and Hitler went " See , it's the Jews fault. They will take your homes and land!" I'd you actaully are any sort of a history buff this British promise is the base of thebjewsbare evil and will takebover your stuff stagedy. This is where he fed his base his rhetoric. The British with drawing out Isreal really did become the architect of their own destruction. Actions like this fuelled modern day anti Semitic beliefs.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The problem with this view is it ignores the actions of Arab countries who invaded Israel in '49 '67 and again in '72, I mean I have a huge issue with much of Israeli policy since the 80's but I fully understand how constantly being invaded and having to fight for you very existence, 3 times in 25 years, against overwhelmingly superior armies (on paper) and all of this a scant 5 years after your family was being slaughtered by the Nazis is going to leave you a bit effing angry.

The reality is Palestinians worst enemy isnt Israel, it has always been other Arab countries who kept the conflict going because it played well with their domestic audience while the Palestinians always paid the price, the best thing that could happen for the average Palestinian would be they told the rest of the Arab world to pound salt, went to Israel and the US and said they accepted they had lost and unconditionally gave up fighting, asked for economic help, educational opportunities, any thing to improve their ####ty existence, basically grovel, but that's a hard pill to swallow

I actually wanted to highlight this belief as a seperate point.

Most of the immigration happened in the 1920s and early and mid 30 before the war. That's is what the Belfour and white papers were brought into action to address. Due to Hitlers rhetoric and the rise of the Nazi regime those legal actions were actually put into place to limit white Jewish immigrants purchasing powers. The immigration was so high it was displacing the Arabs that held the majority in the area and was put in place not to disrupt the region.


The Belfour decree and white papers actually put a 4 year pause on jews being able to buy land or businesses. Thw imagination was was destablizizing the Palestine controlled region.
Unfortunately, the paper acts were for only 4 years . Originally the arts were designed to not force the Arab population out of the area but as we see in modern times ultimately failed.

After the 4 year period the Jewish community gave no ####s . Slowly the started pushing out the Arab population and here we are.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The problem with this view is it ignores the actions of Arab countries who invaded Israel in '49 '67 and again in '72, I mean I have a huge issue with much of Israeli policy since the 80's but I fully understand how constantly being invaded and having to fight for you very existence, 3 times in 25 years, against overwhelmingly superior armies (on paper) and all of this a scant 5 years after your family was being slaughtered by the Nazis is going to leave you a bit effing angry.

The reality is Palestinians worst enemy isnt Israel, it has always been other Arab countries who kept the conflict going because it played well with their domestic audience while the Palestinians always paid the price, the best thing that could happen for the average Palestinian would be they told the rest of the Arab world to pound salt, went to Israel and the US and said they accepted they had lost and unconditionally gave up fighting, asked for economic help, educational opportunities, any thing to improve their ####ty existence, basically grovel, but that's a hard pill to swallow

Also you fail to mention that this was largely still britished controlled land. They controlled the land and fought against the Arab rebellions.

You also failed to mention from 1944 to 1948 the under ground Jewish movement also took action against the British in the region because of the white papers that were signed in to law in1939. So the region was British controlled but had to fight the Arabs and jews . The british eventually gave controle to the jews and fought as allies to control the Arab uprisings you mentioned.

I don't know maybe educate your self on what mandatory Palistine is,the Belfour declaration, the leuguebof nations for Palestine,and Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palistine

Then come back informed with an opinion.

Clearly as a ex brit/ canadian you clearly don't know your own history. The problems started waayy before ww2 .

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Quoted for truth.

Even Jesus Christ himself is a fable, how else can it be explained that it took 125 years for his name to be mentioned? we are suppose to believe the Romans who tabled just about everything decided to leave out they killed the most important historical figure in history

"God" I hate religion

If it helps, I also hate religion. Otherwise, though, Jesus was a real person. Jesus notwithstanding, you can take pretty much any ancient source you want, like Egyptian or Phoenicians, or Greece for example, and you will learn that Jews lived in what is modern day Israel for millennials. There's also overwhelming archeological evidence for that. Disregarding it all to justify killing of Jews is wrong.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

O you mean the Arab countries that invaded after the British just deemed that this is now just Isreal deal with it?

The British won the land against the ottoman empire . They promised the Jewish population of Europe you side with us we will give you a land to call your own. So they dropped them their.
I completely understand why Arabs would be 100% okay with this

This happened after ww1 . This is part of the reason Hitler was able to rile up the German popolulous against the jews was the action the British government did.

The British government gave the jews the previously Palestine controlled area and Hitler went " See , it's the Jews fault. They will take your homes and land!" I'd you actaully are any sort of a history buff this British promise is the base of thebjewsbare evil and will takebover your stuff stagedy. This is where he fed his base his rhetoric. The British with drawing out Isreal really did become the architect of their own destruction. Actions like this fuelled modern day anti Semitic beliefs.

This is actually fairly correct narrative of Arabs view on the matter. They hate the very fact that Jews have a state in Palestine, because immediately before there was such state, it was Arab's lands, even if controlled by Britain. Similarly, Putin hates the very fact that there's Ukraine, because before there was Ukraine, its lands were Russian.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Show your work.

Most jews identify as Ashkenazi. Also known as germanic jews . 92% of the Jewish population identifies as Caucasian as the roots dictate most believers were central and Eastern Europeans. Alot of the known recorded history actaully comes from the jew- Roman conflicts.

With out going into a 5 page rant yes , jews do have an ethnicity the world's population is overwhelmingly white.

Isreal is overwhelmingly in population is white. Their country is trying to destroy and occupy Arabs which yes is not an ethnicity ether but are most noticeably not whites almost never .

I guess we have different understanding of the word "ethnicity". Being a Jew is something that is passed in genes. You are born and years later you learn that you were born as Jew. It's not a choice and not a culture or religion. You can follow a religion and embrace culture, but you don't have to. You can do a genetic test and tell if the person is a Jews or not. So are Arabs. Zineddin Zidane, for example, is Arab.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

This is actually fairly correct narrative of Arabs view on the matter. They hate the very fact that Jews have a state in Palestine, because immediately before there was such state, it was Arab's lands, even if controlled by Britain. Similarly, Putin hates the very fact that there's Ukraine, because before there was Ukraine, its lands were Russian.

Thank you, I know it's accurate because I studied history for 20 years...
The difference being Ukrainen wasb almost a millenia ago and Palistine being about 70 years ago with both factions having majour flare-ups in that time.

Also Putin was a kgb agent during the red army's hey day less than 40 years ago and wants to re establish the user. Again Ukraine was just chilling out being the majour player in food producing and boom .. Russia be dropping bombs for no reason . The jews attack the British while the British were trying to help them setup the land for... the jews.

You sure your anti Kremlin? You don't seem so.

[Pointman]

Forget Jews and Palestinians, the area apparently has been contested since Homo Sapience vs Neanderthals:


Anatomically modern Homo sapiens are demonstrated at the area of Mount Carmel[2] in Canaan during the Middle Paleolithic dating from c. 90,000 BC. These migrants out of Africa seem to have been unsuccessful,[3] and by c. 60,000 BC in the Levant, Neanderthal groups seem to have benefited from the worsening climate and replaced Homo sapiens, who were possibly confined once more to Africa.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I guess we have different understanding of the word "ethnicity". Being a Jew is something that is passed in genes. You are born and years later you learn that you were born as Jew. It's not a choice and not a culture or religion. You can follow a religion and embrace culture, but you don't have to. You can do a genetic test and tell if the person is a Jews or not. So are Arabs. Zineddin Zidane, for example, is Arab.

So again your talking about a culture..... a way to live based on beliefs....

Your example only proves my point. He's Algerian.. that's his ethnicity. Yes he does know the Arabic language but his main language is berber... so no he is not Arab. Not his native language....

Good try tho .

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Forget Jews and Palestinians, the area apparently has been contested since Homo Sapience vs Neanderthals:


Anatomically modern Homo sapiens are demonstrated at the area of Mount Carmel[2] in Canaan during the Middle Paleolithic dating from c. 90,000 BC. These migrants out of Africa seem to have been unsuccessful,[3] and by c. 60,000 BC in the Levant, Neanderthal groups seem to have benefited from the worsening climate and replaced Homo sapiens, who were possibly confined once more to Africa.

Your literally grasping at straws . I can see your pulling #### on Wikipedia the [3] for example is an indication of this .
Nothing is your own thought or knowledge your not even using links to back your #### up.
Think we need to end this tonight. It's getting embarrassing...

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Thank you, I know it's accurate because I studied history for 20 years...
The difference being Ukrainen wasb almost a millenia ago and Palistine being about 70 years ago with both factions having majour flare-ups in that time.

Also Putin was a kgb agent during the red army's hey day less than 40 years ago and wants to re establish the user. Again Ukraine was just chilling out being the majour player in food producing and boom .. Russia be dropping bombs for no reason . The jews attack the British while the British were trying to help them setup the land for... the jews.

You sure your anti Kremlin? You don't seem so.

Ukraine was under Moscow/Russian rule until 1991. I don't even need to study history for that, as I was already alive. I sure am anti Kremlin, I actually left the country.

If anything, there are much more similarities between Putin and Arabs than Putin and Israel. They both pick a convenient point in history and claim that the lands they lived on at that point - not earlier or later - should be theirs. Why you want to come back to pre-WW1 state? Why not go further? How about American settlers leaving north America? Angles and Saxons leaving England? And if you So insist on coming back to WW1, how about letting Turkey control the land? So many nations live on the land that was not originally theirs. Ironically, Jews actually live in their historic homeland.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Your literally grasping at straws . I can see your pulling #### on Wikipedia the [3] for example is an indication of this .
Nothing is your own thought or knowledge your not even using links to back your #### up.
Think we need to end this tonight. It's getting embarrassing...

Embarrassing? It was a fun quote from Wikipedia, clearly posted as a joke, and because I live right on mount Carmel.