18 August 1988
In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah
"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses 109-111).
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic world is on fire. Each of us should pour some water, no matter how little, to extinguish whatever one can without waiting for the others." (Sheikh Amjad al-Zahawi, of blessed memory).
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This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.
Article 7
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"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Article 15
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The day that enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised. To do this requires the diffusion of Islamic consciousness among the masses, both on the regional, Arab and Islamic levels. It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.
Article 28
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The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.
This is HAMAS as written by their 1988 covenant after their founding, and elected by Palestinians in 2006.
You can understand the suffering that Palestinians face, criticize Israel foreign and settlement policies (which I have in the past) while simultaneously condemn HAMAS and their practices.
What HAMAS has done and what their goal is (the eradication of Jews and Israel) should never be cheered or excused.
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Thanks AFC, and I appreciate the discussion. Without a doubt, I agree with you, it was very messy and people do lose wars/lives/property. Pictures from Ukraine are horrible and terrifying, entire towns in rubble.
Not all Palestinians lost everything, some certainly did. Much of what we see is spillover from Jordan but they abandoned them and it seems to be in Israel's hands. The entire sequence of events suck. Israeli people were/are terrified of what took place yesterday, going back since independence. What we know as ISIS is what Israel defended the borders for, at least that image of militants.
For sure land was lost, not all, not the whole thing, just there was a massive war, there was no way Israel was letting people back in who abandoned them. Note that not all Palestinians left, those that stayed within Israel are citizens.
Never in my life have I seen such anger in Israel, for years and years they hoped for a glimmer of peace from their neighbors, instead they got Hamas.
I have spent hours today trying to calm down and deescalate one of my old foster kids whos of Jewish decent, in his 30's now and living in Ottawa, I can't blame him but he has mental health issues and firebombing some random shawarma cafe in Canada seemed an inappropriate response, fortunately I calmed him down.
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If the settlements are such a big issue, then why not attack there? Why focus on innocent civilians nowhere near the settlements? If Hamas had focused their attacks against the Israeli military and/or the West Bank, then they might have a leg to stand on. But instead they chose to be cowardly barbarians, killing people that had no chance of fighting back, and then parading their dead bodies in the streets. Hamas and any Palestinians that support them are terrorists now on the same level as ISIS, and anyone here trying to justify their actions in any way are despicable
2 reasons mainly:
1) Attacking from Gaza is probably a lot easier. The West Bank is made up of 165 different islands of land that are under Palestinian Authority control and which are separated by Israeli-occupied areas.
2) Hamas are scum, so they're happy to murder innocent civilians. The softer the target the better, from their perspective. So they'd much rather murder a bunch of people at a music festival or families in their homes than have to go up against well-defended Israeli settlements in the West Bank.
But that doesn't change how problematic Israeli settlements and their policies in the West Bank are.
The problem with all those arguments about taking Arabian land is that those are exactly the arguments behind Putin's invasion in Ukraine. Kyiv is original capital of Russia. Russians have originated in lands that are modern day Ukraine. Then they expanded to the nirth-east, that was relatively empty, and founded other cities, such as Moscow. And now they see their historic homeland becoming an independent state and going into EU&NATO. So they want to destroy Ukraine and take their motherland back. This argument was defeated so bany times and is in no way a justification for war. Yet, with Palestinians this somehow works for some people.
Yeah well, people believe all kinds of things, the truth of which is dubious.
The Torah's license to grant land ownership is questionable at best.
Anyways, thats not the point here.
How comes it is dubious that Jews lived in what is modern day Israel long before Arabs even originated? New Testament and more importantly Roman Empire sources confirm the same. Jesus Christ, whether you believe he was God or not, was a historical Jew, who was born, ironically, on West Bank settlement of Bethlehem.
The problem with all those arguments about taking Arabian land is that those are exactly the arguments behind Putin's invasion in Ukraine. Kyiv is original capital of Russia. Russians have originated in lands that are modern day Ukraine. Then they expanded to the nirth-east, that was relatively empty, and founded other cities, such as Moscow. And now they see their historic homeland becoming an independent state and going into EU&NATO. So they want to destroy Ukraine and take their motherland back. This argument was defeated so bany times and is in no way a justification for war. Yet, with Palestinians this somehow works for some people.
Palestinians are arab, not arabian.
Labeling the West Bank "Judea and Samaria " and building settlements there because it rightfully belongs to the Jews is kind of the same thing you're describing.
Maybe Netanyahu far right government ploted this? comes at a perfect time while there government are under alot pressure and this is the perfect recipe to deflect it. I'm sorry I don't trust alot this crap this these are high end elites and at the end of the day it's a business to make money .dirty world folks all these .... crap wars are business big corporations make it and sell it to us feed it to us.jew,Arab,white,yellow,black, we all bleed same color no one wins at another's suffering.
The problem with all those arguments about taking Arabian land is that those are exactly the arguments behind Putin's invasion in Ukraine. Kyiv is original capital of Russia. Russians have originated in lands that are modern day Ukraine. Then they expanded to the nirth-east, that was relatively empty, and founded other cities, such as Moscow. And now they see their historic homeland becoming an independent state and going into EU&NATO. So they want to destroy Ukraine and take their motherland back. This argument was defeated so bany times and is in no way a justification for war. Yet, with Palestinians this somehow works for some people.
I don't know if Kyiv being the capital of Russia 1,000 years ago is a particularly apt comparison to Israel's actions in the West Bank. 40 years ago, there were a few thousand Israeli settlers living in the West Bank and now there are about half a million, and Israel has essentially banned Palestinians from about 60% of the territory. So we're not talking about ancient history.
A more relevant comparison would be if Russia held the Ukrainian territory they currently occupy, moved in a bunch of ethnic Russians into settlements there, and then enacted laws that favor Russians, making it almost impossible for Ukrainians to legally build anything or even really have a functioning economy.
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Israel forced Morocco and UAE into peace through overwhelming force? Weird take dude.
What has Israel done to show they want peace? Appoint the likes of Ben-Gvir and Smotrich in positions of power? Known terrorists hell bent on the destruction of Palestine?
Funny you mention morocco.
I have a co worker who started working for us this year. He is the most positive, upbeat person ever. His family and village were just outside the earthquake zone and he was never was negative. Even with his wife and 2 children (one 9nly a few monthsold) he was never negative, only positive.
I told him about what's going on and he just said "My friend, It's a shame . Israel will now use this to kill many Arabs every where. We only just have peace in my home land with them but this will no doubt sour any headway we made. "
The overall tone was the Arab countries want to be peaceful with Isreal but they also really don't agree with how Isreal treats the Palestinians. That's always a sore spot for them and they understand the frustration why the population tolerates hamas as they see them as fighters for their rights as Arabs to exist without appartied conditions. The view is if Isreal was more kind towards Arabs in general hamas wouldn't have risen to such power . The rise was due to the anger of the treatment of Arabs., their mosques and h9mes.
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Maybe Netanyahu far right government ploted this? comes at a perfect time while there government are under alot pressure and this is the perfect recipe to deflect it. I'm sorry I don't trust alot this crap this these are high end elites and at the end of the day it's a business to make money .dirty world folks all these .... crap wars are business big corporations make it and sell it to us feed it to us.jew,Arab,white,yellow,black, we all bleed same color no one wins at another's suffering.
Theo? Is that you?
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How comes it is dubious that Jews lived in what is modern day Israel long before Arabs even originated? New Testament and more importantly Roman Empire sources confirm the same. Jesus Christ, whether you believe he was God or not, was a historical Jew, who was born, ironically, on West Bank settlement of Bethlehem.
Be careful with attempting to make real history align with biblical accounts. Yes, jews existed in historic palestine millenia ago, but so did others that just weren't important enough to be included in the Bible. Things changed since then. Some jews left the land and settled in other places. Some jews remained and left Judaism. Some other groups that were always there rose to prominence. Some groups from the outside settled there and just kind of bred with the locals. The language shifted from Aramaic to a form of arabic.
I don't think you'll meet many palestinians that will claim they came from the arabian peninsula. Whether or not arabs existed when the Bible was written is irrevant.
How comes it is dubious that Jews lived in what is modern day Israel long before Arabs even originated? New Testament and more importantly Roman Empire sources confirm the same. Jesus Christ, whether you believe he was God or not, was a historical Jew, who was born, ironically, on West Bank settlement of Bethlehem.
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Be careful with attempting to make real history align with biblical accounts. Yes, jews existed in historic palestine millenia ago, but so did others that just weren't important enough to be included in the Bible. Things changed since then. Some jews left the land and settled in other places. Some jews remained and left Judaism. Some other groups that were always there rose to prominence. Some groups from the outside settled there and just kind of bred with the locals. The language shifted from Aramaic to a form of arabic.
I don't think you'll meet many palestinians that will claim they came from the arabian peninsula. Whether or not arabs existed when the Bible was written is irrevant.
I echo this statement.
Just because the Bible says is a strawman argument. Arab is a people. Muslim is a religion. Being Jewish is not a people it is a religion. You can be Arab and not be a Muslim. Being Arab just means you use the Arabic language. No actual association with being muslim .Judaism as a whole seems a very broad spectrum . Like I'm Jewish but not a practicing jew is a thing. Always confused me . How can you be Jewish but not follow the religion of Judaism? Its a religion not a nation. On the flip side there are lots of Arabs that are not musilim as it refers to the language used.
The point is using the Bible to impose historical accuracy is a joke. It's a fable.
Arabs claim the land was theirs before the time of religious rights . Zionists claim the land is theirs due to biblical teachings. Not all Arabs are jihad Muslims like Hamas. Arabs that don't follow the Quran also believe it's their land and Zionists took over due to their religious beliefs.
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Wall Street Journal dropped a story today that says that Iran helped plan and finance this attack and approval was given in a meeting between Hamas Leadership and Senior members of Iraqi Revolutionary Guard gave final approval last Monday in Beirut.
CNN does report that the US is still digging, but some unamed officials basically said "Duh its Iran man".
Beyond using their navy to evacuate Americans, its also likely that the American's moved a Carrier battle group into the area to warn off Lebonan and Iran.
But if Israel finds that proof positive that Iran financed this and helped plan this, I expect there will be some serious retaliation.
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Wall Street Journal dropped a story today that says that Iran helped plan and finance this attack and approval was given in a meeting between Hamas Leadership and Senior members of Iraqi Revolutionary Guard gave final approval last Monday in Beirut.
CNN does report that the US is still digging, but some unamed officials basically said "Duh its Iran man".
Beyond using their navy to evacuate Americans, its also likely that the American's moved a Carrier battle group into the area to warn off Lebonan and Iran.
But if Israel finds that proof positive that Iran financed this and helped plan this, I expect there will be some serious retaliation.
America and us need to stay out of it. If the states especially , won't fund Ukraine any more they shouldn't help Israel . The argument is is the wars drawn out to long in Ukraine and their not a UN member.Isreal is not a UN member either. Ukraines was just chilling out providing the world's largest farming operations . Isreal as provoked and stoked tensions yet the USA bails them out time and time again. Not surprising as Isreal gas many neighboring countries that have resources the USa would love to control.
It just gets my goat that they no longer want to fund Ukraine but full heartedly will jump to Isreals wishes .
Isreal acts like that over cocky little kid that has the most bad ass older brother . " what are you going to do? I'll just get my older brother to kick your ass"
Also the Republicans down south argue that they don't want to fundnUkraine any more because it's a proxy war with Russia. Yet the will continually bolster Isreal no questions asked . In turn it is a proxy war with Iran, China, Russia and North Korea .
It's almost like when whitey attacks other white nations it's " no interest to us . Killing Arabs tho? No problem here's what ever you need." "I can sell the politics on doing that no problem. "
And largely this is true in modern times . Jews often associate themselves as being white and the religion has shifted this way. This is how in americain and in Isreal culture acts against Muslims are precieved ok. Their os a massive racial component. Jews and people of Jewish heritage answer on surveys the are white or have converted to the religion and see themselves being attacked by another ethnic group and blame all Arabs as a whole.
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This is HAMAS as written by their 1988 covenant after their founding, and elected by Palestinians in 2006.
You can understand the suffering that Palestinians face, criticize Israel foreign and settlement policies (which I have in the past) while simultaneously condemn HAMAS and their practices.
What HAMAS has done and what their goal is (the eradication of Jews and Israel) should never be cheered or excused.
True. Gazans elected HAMAS to be a majority of their government. They elected a government whose official goal is to destroy Israel and promptly proceed to complain that Israel no longer let them into their country. The reason why common Gazans are at war with Israel is because they so choose. They literally voted for it.
Just because the Bible says is a strawman argument. Arab is a people. Muslim is a religion. Being Jewish is not a people it is a religion. You can be Arab and not be a Muslim. Being Arab just means you use the Arabic language. No actual association with being muslim .Judaism as a whole seems a very broad spectrum . Like I'm Jewish but not a practicing jew is a thing. Always confused me . How can you be Jewish but not follow the religion of Judaism? Its a religion not a nation. On the flip side there are lots of Arabs that are not musilim as it refers to the language used.
The point is using the Bible to impose historical accuracy is a joke. It's a fable.
Arabs claim the land was theirs before the time of religious rights . Zionists claim the land is theirs due to biblical teachings. Not all Arabs are jihad Muslims like Hamas. Arabs that don't follow the Quran also believe it's their land and Zionists took over due to their religious beliefs.
Jews is a nation. My father is ethnical Jew, yet atheist. So was, for example, Golda Meir. Palestine was a land of Jewish people and they had a kingdom there, with Jerusalem as a capital. There are many non-biblical sources to that. Those include Roman Empire sources, which didn't like Jews at all. And archeological proofs as well. If you want to disregard the fact, that Jews lived on the land, as "biblical myth", you are really reinventing history.
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Jews is a nation. My father is ethnical Jew, yet atheist. So was, for example, Golda Meir. Palestine was a land of Jewish people and they had a kingdom there, with Jerusalem as a capital. There are many non-biblical sources to that. Those include Roman Empire sources, which didn't like Jews at all. And archeological proofs as well. If you want to disregard the fact, that Jews lived on the land, as "biblical myth", you are really reinventing history.
Judaism is a religion how can you be Jewish and not follow the tenants?
How could you be Jewish before the religion was formed?
Arab is not a religion. You stated Arab wasn't a thing before the Muslim religion came about. Being Arab isn't about being Muslim.
So technically shouldn't non practicing jews be called the Yiddish like how Arabs are call that due to it being referenced from the language they speak?
Also regarding the Roman's. Are you talking about the Roman CATHOLIC scriptures? No religious bearings in those texts what so ever.
Also didn't you come out as in favour of Ukraines invasion as well?
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I don't know if Kyiv being the capital of Russia 1,000 years ago is a particularly apt comparison to Israel's actions in the West Bank. 40 years ago, there were a few thousand Israeli settlers living in the West Bank and now there are about half a million, and Israel has essentially banned Palestinians from about 60% of the territory. So we're not talking about ancient history.
A more relevant comparison would be if Russia held the Ukrainian territory they currently occupy, moved in a bunch of ethnic Russians into settlements there, and then enacted laws that favor Russians, making it almost impossible for Ukrainians to legally build anything or even really have a functioning economy.
What West Bank had to do with Gaza? HAMAS hates West Bank to the point that they actually expelled all authorities from Palestine Liberation Organization from Gaza into West Bank and never held elections ever since, so West Bank factions could never get power in Gaza.
