2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Mitch]

I think if you're hoping for Dube to 'pop' then you are going to be disappointed. He's a versatile forward that's probably best served on the 3rd line, and also a good pro and leader type. I'd rather they look at packaging Mangiapane than Dube tbh.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I think if you're hoping for Dube to 'pop' then you are going to be disappointed. He's a versatile forward that's probably best served on the 3rd line, and also a good pro and leader type. I'd rather they look at packaging Mangiapane than Dube tbh.

I agree that I would trade Mang before Dube.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I agree that I would trade Mang before Dube.

That would be a hard sell right now given his year last season combined with that contract.

[ComixZone]

I really hope the Flames are in no rush to extend Lindholm. I just don’t understand any reason why they’d want to get that done at this stage.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I really hope the Flames are in no rush to extend Lindholm. I just don’t understand any reason why they’d want to get that done at this stage.

Yeah, Lindholm may end up regretting not taking the offer that was on the table before the season began.

[dino7c]

I think some of you are putting way to much stock in veteran players during the preseason
Wednesday is when we can START to form opinions about these players and this team

some of you want them to bust their balls to impress CP

there is a reason guys like Ty Rattie win the preseason scoring championship

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think some of you are putting way to much stock in veteran players during the preseason
Wednesday is when we can START to form opinions about these players and this team

some of you want them to bust their balls to impress CP

there is a reason guys like Ty Rattie win the preseason scoring championship

Beyond this pre-season, expand it to last season as well - I don’t understand why the Flames would be in any rush to extend Lindholm right now. There’s just no reason to slap down a big contract today. The Flames shouldn’t be putting $9M into a 60 point centre that they think can rebound to a ppg centre. Hold tight for now and see if he and Huby can actually build chemistry and see some signs that Lindholm can be a PPG centre without Gaudreau/Tkachuk on his wings.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think some of you are putting way to much stock in veteran players during the preseason
Wednesday is when we can START to form opinions about these players and this team

some of you want them to bust their balls to impress CP

there is a reason guys like Ty Rattie win the preseason scoring championship

Agreed. It is preseason. We won’t know what this team is until after game 10 of the regular season. It happens every year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Beyond this pre-season, expand it to last season as well - I don’t understand why the Flames would be in any rush to extend Lindholm right now. There’s just no reason to slap down a big contract today. The Flames shouldn’t be putting $9M into a 60 point centre that they think can rebound to a ppg centre. Hold tight for now and see if he and Huby can actually build chemistry and see some signs that Lindholm can be a PPG centre without Gaudreau/Tkachuk on his wings.

I never said rush but

Dube is playing himself off the team
Markstom's career is over
Lindholm obviously can't play because he didn't win the Ty Rattie memorial trophy in the preseason
ect.

This place is kinda wild...in my day preseason wasn't even televised. Vancouver's stars didn't do much of anything tonight either. Looked like guys just trying to get through it. (and they lost a top 4-6 dman and it looked bad)

I wouldn't sign Lindholm right now either because there is no benefit...if he starts lights out the price will be the same

this preseason doesn't sway me either way though...nor should it

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Beyond this pre-season, expand it to last season as well - I don’t understand why the Flames would be in any rush to extend Lindholm right now. There’s just no reason to slap down a big contract today. The Flames shouldn’t be putting $9M into a 60 point centre that they think can rebound to a ppg centre. Hold tight for now and see if he and Huby can actually build chemistry and see some signs that Lindholm can be a PPG centre without Gaudreau/Tkachuk on his wings.

That perspective is fair based on last season. It’s also fair to have concerns based on the preseason. I think that it should be acknowledged that judging teams based on preseason play is very challenging. Even the first 10 games of an NHL season gets tossed out as hard to figure teams out. It’s a long season.

It should probably encourage you that no agreement is announced yet. Conroy appears to have reasonable expectations regarding contracts based on the contracts and deals he’s made. Based on his limited history so far, I have confidence he’ll make the right decision.

[dino7c]

I would be watching the waiver wire closely...take advantage of the LTIR available

Kylington ain't coming back

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Beyond this pre-season, expand it to last season as well - I don’t understand why the Flames would be in any rush to extend Lindholm right now. There’s just no reason to slap down a big contract today. The Flames shouldn’t be putting $9M into a 60 point centre that they think can rebound to a ppg centre. Hold tight for now and see if he and Huby can actually build chemistry and see some signs that Lindholm can be a PPG centre without Gaudreau/Tkachuk on his wings.

But if he bounces back to being a 70 point a year player or better, a status he has hit twice in his 20’s for each and every year of the contract in his 30’s it would be a decent contract.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

That's more of a damming statement about the team last year than it is about huge strides by Dube. If he was really progressing he would be moving up the depth chart. He isn't and the coaches last year also agreed that he wasn't worth moving him up to a better line.

No it's not.

A 2.23 points/60 NHL forward is ranked 65th for forwards in the NHL last season. That's great production on any team and not a damning statement at all. He's literally tied at 2.23 with Aho and Svechnikov from Carolina last year ... man they suck.

Offensively the player has progressed, little argument on that. I think he's a legit top six player in this league if he can tighten up a little more defensively.

Will he? Will be interesting to watch.

But he shouldn't be traded ... because. And he certainly isn't playing himself out of the organization.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Beyond this pre-season, expand it to last season as well - I don’t understand why the Flames would be in any rush to extend Lindholm right now. There’s just no reason to slap down a big contract today. The Flames shouldn’t be putting $9M into a 60 point centre that they think can rebound to a ppg centre. Hold tight for now and see if he and Huby can actually build chemistry and see some signs that Lindholm can be a PPG centre without Gaudreau/Tkachuk on his wings.

Don’t disagree, but the longer you wait, the more likely he might decide to test the market. Especially if he’s hitting a PPG.

[D as in David]

Wrong thread.

[Poe969]

If Lindholm hits a point per game pace, and decides he wants out, the Flames have the best trade chip on the market. I don't think Lindholm should be a teams #1C, that's why I don't think the Flames should sign him.

[sa226]

Lindholm is a perfectly fine #1C is you have elite wingers, like they did with Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

Huberdeau I don't think has meshed well with him yet, because neither of them carry the puck through the neutral zone with speed. Gaudreau did that. Bennett did that. Who does that with the Flames? Kadri? Backlund?

But he has yet to show that he is a play driving center. Maybe there is room to adapt his game.

I really like Lindholm, he's the kind of player that every team in the league should want. But I see the conundrum facing the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Dube, at $2.3M, is one of the best values on the team (ELCs excluded of course). He is not, and probably never will be, a top line guy, but he is a good middle 6 guy, especially at that price. As Bingo said, there has definitely been progress offensively though he needs to be a better finisher. And he definitely still has flaws defensively, but you're not going to go out and replace him, at that price.

Steinberg's talk of 8X$6 is of course insanity. But I don't see any reason to chase him out the door at this point. To me, he is one of those middle 6 guys that gets you 30-40 points every year, and then somewhere along the line, puts it all together for a couple years and has like a 70 point season. Then reverts back to 40.

You need guys like Dube. But you have to control the cap hit. Under $4M, he's a valuable player. Over $5M is insanity - you have to move on, at that point.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Don’t disagree, but the longer you wait, the more likely he might decide to test the market. Especially if he’s hitting a PPG.

Then his trade value goes up. It's a win-win for the Flames.

Conroy has time available to him, I hope he uses it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Then his trade value goes up. It's a win-win for the Flames.

Conroy has time available to him, I hope he uses it.

It’s really only a win-win if the Flames are content with letting him walk which I don’t think they are. His contract and trade value won’t change much over the first quarter of the season. A better start to the season really just gives Lindholm more leverage than trade value in my opinion. He is probably more likely to sign if the first 25 games are rough on him lol