Ah, the good old days (I can't do green text on Tapatalk but hope that's a given)
Unfortunately, a not small segment of society yearns for those days.
And I'm not saying there aren't hard debates to come about what inclusivity and accommodation look like (especially around disabilities like addiction), but I can't see any plausible argument that we have not come a long, long way in the last ~25 years.
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This is nostalgic nonsense. The distrust of minorities was much more prevalent in previous generations.
I also don't know how you could argue society was more "cohesive" from any perspective, but especially from the perspective of non-whites.
We were talking about conspiracy theories, media, and public trust in institutions. Do think Canada is better off today on those fronts than in decades past?
Medicare, CPP, the student loan system, unemployment insurance, the guaranteed income supplement, and other pillars of public welfare were put into place in our grandparent’s time. Do think a government proposing those programs today could marshall the political consensus necessary to carry them out?
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OK, but there once was a time a straight white man could look at another straight white man and say, “that’s one of the good ones.”
We long for this beautiful time of peace.
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All right, but apart from bringing in Medicare, the Canada Pension Plan, unemployment insurance, Old Age Security, the Guaranteed Income Supplement, the Canada Student Loans Plan, and building more schools, hospitals, and public housing than any other period in the history of the country, what did our grandparents ever do for us?
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I'd love to use that article with some of my family I worry are on the edge of getting sucked into that worldview, but knowing what the likely reaction would be has anybody seen any sort of followup article that would explain why those more extreme outcomes didn't happen? (i.e. doesn't seem like they were meaningfully attempted, and could be dismissed as overstating the significance of angry people commiserating vs. serious plotting)
We were talking about conspiracy theories, media, and public trust in institutions. Do think Canada is better off today on those fronts than in decades past?
Medicare, CPP, the student loan system, unemployment insurance, the guaranteed income supplement, and other pillars of public welfare were put into place in our grandparent’s time. Do think a government proposing those programs today could marshall the political consensus necessary to carry them out?
Turns out we just need a couple of World Wars and a Great Depression to create the conditions that call for a strong social safety net to deal with effects of the devastating cohesion that was faced by all.
But the idea things were better when Canada was more socialist is the kind of nostalgia I can get behind.
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I'd love to use that article with some of my family I worry are on the edge of getting sucked into that worldview, but knowing what the likely reaction would be has anybody seen any sort of followup article that would explain why those more extreme outcomes didn't happen? (i.e. doesn't seem like they were meaningfully attempted, and could be dismissed as overstating the significance of angry people commiserating vs. serious plotting)
I have to assume the deliberate whistleblowing by the three cited sources made them back off.
Without recordings though, it's unlikely we'll see a Conspiracy charge or similar.
It's just a matter of time before one of these nutjobs does some real damage
Yeah, this is the kind of stuff where if they weren't already involved, CSIS is definitely investigating these extremist elements for domestic threats. And I wouldn't put it past them to have already infiltrated this movement and keeping them close to the chest. No doubt they've already been following the kingpins and leaders of this extremist group, and keeping an eye on political associations with this cell, including members of the sitting parties.
Yeah, this is the kind of stuff where if they weren't already involved, CSIS is definitely investigating these extremist elements for domestic threats. And I wouldn't put it past them to have already infiltrated this movement and keeping them close to the chest. No doubt they've already been following the kingpins and leaders of this extremist group, and keeping an eye on political associations with this cell, including members of the sitting parties.
That’s quite the “Choose your own adventure” leap.
For those rolling their eyes, read about CSIS and the work Grant Bristow did with the Heritage Front, and how much these groups can be infiltrated. They don't take these domestic extremist groups lightly.
At some point I hope society realizes the damage being caused by social media and starts holding these companies accountable.
Sort of like the Fox News billion dollar lawsuit. You supported misinformation, and you made money off it. Now you pay for the damage.
I won't hold my breath - but it does feel like generally things might be slightly turning.
Nothing would make me happier than seeing Ezra Levant behind bars. He's single handedly done more damage to the fabric of Canada than any other person I can think of. Yet somehow, people in government treat him like he is a member of the media.
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Medicare, CPP, the student loan system, unemployment insurance, the guaranteed income supplement, and other pillars of public welfare were put into place in our grandparent’s time. Do think a government proposing those programs today could marshall the political consensus necessary to carry them out?
No, because we were cursed with an entire generation of selfish #######s, who worshipped at the altars of Thatcher, Reagan, and Friedman. Unfortunately, those same selfish #######s still have a lot of voting power and are easily duped by Facebook memes and right-wing charlatans (see: Yoho).
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