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Old 09-26-2023, 11:32 PM   #8321
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Old 09-27-2023, 12:21 AM   #8322
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Makes sense for Backlund to take a shorter term - he gets three years of security and stability, and an expiring contract as a 37 year old might allow him a better shot to ring chase if his game remains consistent vs at 38.

Plus, I really don’t think these guys like the idea of having to play until they’re 38-40 years old to collect all their money.
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Old 09-27-2023, 12:35 AM   #8323
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Makes sense for Backlund to take a shorter term - he gets three years of security and stability, and an expiring contract as a 37 year old might allow him a better shot to ring chase if his game remains consistent vs at 38.

Plus, I really don’t think these guys like the idea of having to play until they’re 38-40 years old to collect all their money.
I think you're off the mark entirely on this one. It doesn't make sense for a non star player at Backlund's age to take shorter term to get more contracts after.

It's the team that wants shorter term, and short term (Flames) vs long term (Backlund) is likely the centre piece of negotiations. Backlund was likely pushing for four years, the Flames for two years and if they meet the in the middle it will be three, while the Flames hope to get their way at two.
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Old 09-27-2023, 12:38 AM   #8324
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The one weird thing in the two rumours (both very credible sources in rasta-masta and Elliot Freidman) is that if there are reports of 2 and 3 year deals, you'd think the AAV would be reversed.

2 years at 5.5 or 3 years at 4.5. So one side might just not have correct info as to numbers. I really hope rasta has the better inside track and history suggests he doesn't post unless something is basically done and correct.
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Old 09-27-2023, 01:34 AM   #8325
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Was thinking the same. More money for longer term at his age doesn't make a lot of sense. Hopefully Rasta's source is the correct one.
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Old 09-27-2023, 06:19 AM   #8326
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I am not going to be pleased if the Flames give Backlind a raise and 3 years. The 2x4.5 was a deal I would be happy with but 5.5x3 for a guy who will be 38 when it is over is not great
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Old 09-27-2023, 06:37 AM   #8327
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I was on the trade backlund camp but you can’t go wrong with the 2 year deal. I didn’t think there was a chance in hell he would sign before season unless it was a 3 year deal at over $5 million. The 2 year deal is good for both parties . It’s a trade able contract if things go south.
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Old 09-27-2023, 06:47 AM   #8328
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I feel like Quinn Hughes is very overrated.
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Old 09-27-2023, 07:22 AM   #8329
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I think people are reading way too much into Friedman's tweet. Here is what the-rasta-masta posted:
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Backlund signed for 2 years, 4.5aav. ��
That sure looks like a statement of information to me.

Here's what Elliotte wrote:
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...ng-camp-notes/
He says right up front that this is a prediction, and then covers that by noting he could be wrong about the numbers. I suspect he knows they will get a deal done, but it sure doesn't sound like he has any feel for what it will look like, and is just guessing.


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2 years at 5.5 or 3 years at 4.5. So one side might just not have correct info as to numbers.

Well... that's for sure

It just tells the deals are significantly apart. Elliot's is 50% longer and obviously a ton more guaranteed money. It's a very big difference.

For me the three year deal should come with a lot lower cap hit, something like 4 million x three years. The two year deal seems perfect.
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Old 09-27-2023, 07:37 AM   #8331
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Backlund adds a lot of value to the team. But to put things in perspective he’s our 3rd line center. I doubt there are many 3rd line centers making 5.5 million on other teams.
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Backlund adds a lot of value to the team. But to put things in perspective he’s our 3rd line center. I doubt there are many 3rd line centers making 5.5 million on other teams.
Well, not yet. But, how many centres of Backlund's calibre have signed new deals in the past year?

Also, I think there is an important difference here between identifying a "third line centre" and the centre who happens to be playing on the third line. There are a bunch of teams where Backlund would be playing on the second line, and the luxury the Flames have to deploy a player as good as Backlund on the third line is a huge advantage. But, his value is not determined by his place on the depth chart—it's a matter of how good a player he is.

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I think it's also worth noting that Backlund is one of if not the best '3rd line' centres in the league...is he not?

So if we lack the top-end #1 centre (which we do), then outside of a drastic rebuild, building depth that can hopefully expose the perceived lack of depth that other top teams may have is the path forward.

I don't love the strategy, as I don't think it works - but there's no other options on the table a the moment, and the team seems to have made the decision not to rebuild - so paying Backlund this fair salary makes sense.
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I would still prefer to trade but if that is not possible, 2 years 4.5m is the best we could hope for.

Can someone just do this to Spurs?


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Old 09-27-2023, 08:10 AM   #8335
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Rasta vs Friedman. I take Rasta all day long. Friedman off his game lately.
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Old 09-27-2023, 08:10 AM   #8336
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Backlund should absolutely have been traded. The lovefest with all these players who have won nothing with the Flames is funny. People treat Backlund similar to how Chicago would treat a player like Toews or Kane... Backlund has been a part of multiple cores that have barely made it past the first round.
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This would be more in line what I’d expect to see.

$4.5M is a hometown discount (especially on a 2-year term). $5.5M and 3 years seems closer to market.
Giving a 35+ player a 3 year deal isn't market. The market right now for mid-level vets is atrocious. Look at what Tatar signed for. Even Kopitar, who is coming off a 74 point season, only got 2 years.
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Joel Edmundson out 6-8 weeks, I thought there was a rumor of them having interest in Noah at the beginning?
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I hope the Flames keep it irie
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