Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[FlamingHomer]

Ya, he's not going to give up scoring titles just to prevent a few goals.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I bet that despite all this talk, they're going to wind up being more offensive-minded with more TOI than ever before.

And then burn out in the playoffs (if they make it) like they always seem to.

They'll never sacrifice individual glory for the delayed gratification of putting the team first for a chance at success down the line. It isn't in their DNA.

[Jay Random]

I don't think it's a question of DNA. The organization will never allow them to sacrifice individual glory, because individual glory is the basis of their entire marketing effort. ‘See how much our two guys score! Oooo, shiny! Buy more tickets!’

Draisaitl, at least, shows occasional signs of knowing how to check, but only makes the effort in the playoffs. That, to me, says he's being coached to play the way he does.

McDavid, to go by his quotes, apparently thinks he's already good enough defensively. That may just be a case of ‘you can't fix stupid’.

[topfiverecords]

Worst thing about hockey starting up is being exposed to that smug Woody prick and the SN circle McJerk everywhere again.

[Winsor_Pilates]

They can't play strong defensive hockey with the minutes they put up.
It's just not sustainable over a long season & playoffs and you'll see them get exposed on lazy backchecks once they're tired.

I don't think McDavid is incapable of 2 way play; but it's not going to happen with how they strategically overplay them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

They can't play strong defensive hockey with the minutes they put up.
It's just not sustainable over a long season & playoffs and you'll see them get exposed on lazy backchecks once they're tired.

I don't think McDavid is incapable of 2 way play; but it's not going to happen with how they strategically overplay them.

Basically this.

Its the double-edged sword. If you want to play McDavid and Draisaitl 30 minutes a night, a good chunk of that will be coasting to rest.

If you want them to back-check, and they're both good skaters, but you'd have to cut their ice time by like 10 minutes a night.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Locke

Basically this.

Its the double-edged sword. If you want to play McDavid and Draisaitl 30 minutes a night, a good chunk of that will be coasting to rest.

If you want them to back-check, and they're both good skaters, but you'd have to cut their ice time by like 10 minutes a night.

McDavid has averaged 21:45 of ice time during his career.

[Sofa GM]

Love how these chumps are being labelled serious contenders again. The Edmonton media just can’t help themselves. Both McDavid and Draisaitl are far too selfish to put the team ahead of their own personal stat lines, and when the games are on the line they both fold. Look at Draisaitl in the final Vegas game. Almost single handed lay ended the Oilers season. This is just absolutely hilarious to watch the self felating, unbelievable.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Seeing the team implode defensively in the back half of that Vegas series was delightful.

When it dawned on them that they didn't have the backchecking to handle vegas' forechecking 5 on 5 they just phoned it in and cried for powerplays because it was their only play at that point.

Oilers are only built for the first round against middling opponents. Definitely not the league's upper echelon teams though.

But they can go ahead and ignore the last two convincing defeats to COL and VGK and keep spinning a hopeless narrative.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

McDavid has averaged 21:45 of ice time during his career.

He averaged 22:23 per night last season.

His ice time is on the rise. And let's not pretend he hasn't had some outlandish nights for TOI where he didn't leave the ice in extended PPs or OTs

[GioforPM]

Looking at averages includes games where they didn't need to overplay McDavid. IN games that were tight, his ice time increased. To detrminental effect, especially in the POs.

[Samonadreau]

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[Enoch Root]

his TOI in the playoffs was 24:13

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

his TOI in the playoffs was 24:13

His 2024 playoffs TOI will be 0:00.

[jlh2640]

Oh I like that comment

[TheIronMaiden]

Total minutes played by forwards in 2022-23

1. McDavid 1836 ( 23rd among all skaters)
2. Rantanen 1822
3. Draisaitl 1739
4. Suzuki 1730
5. Marner 1702
6. Keller 1702
7. Compher 1684
8. Conner 1683
9. Miller 1675
10. Kopitar 1665

For perspective Draisatl and McDavid were 1 and 2 for forwards in 2021-22, 2 and 3 in 2021-22

The Flames forward with the most
Lindholm 1492

The player with the most
Doughty 2125


https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...3_skaters.html

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Really funny to read reporting out of Edmonton saying their new plan is to have their centres play their position in the D zone.

This is clearly evidence of the incredible tactical minds on Edmonton's coaching staff. What daring strategies will they think of next?

[Oil Stain]

What's with the obsession with minutes played?

Lots of top players have played big minutes over the years.

Just look at Iginla's minutes through his peak:

22:21
21:25
21:18
21:41
22:03
21:26
21:36

He played 23:18 during his Cup run.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What's with the obsession with minutes played?

Lots of top players have played big minutes over the years.

Just look at Iginla's minutes through his peak:

22:21
21:25
21:18
21:41
22:03
21:26
21:36

He played 23:18 during his Cup run.

The Flames were not known for showing up in the playoffs.
It's a lot of hockey. If the Flames had the luxery of controlling Kippersoff and Iginla's minutes they would have been a different team come spring.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

What's with the obsession with minutes played?

Lots of top players have played big minutes over the years.

Just look at Iginla's minutes through his peak:

22:21
21:25
21:18
21:41
22:03
21:26
21:36

He played 23:18 during his Cup run.

Because its clear that the Oilers would be a better team overall if the Oilers top players played less minutes (ie cut out the minutes that they float and are useless).

However they are built so poorly that they don't have anyone else to be effective in those minutes.

Either way, the Oilers roster is worse this season than it started off last season, and will likely struggle to make the playoffs.