Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Serious question: Are you deliberately posting in Trump's old style?

Rant, rant
rant, rant, rant

One word derogatory summation

You know like the 2016 election classics;

Crooked Hilary is hiding e-mails that prove Obama was born in Kenya and all the Democrats know it but won't say anything because they are afraid only I can Make America Great Again. Losers.

Same thing in post 8682

It's a good bit, if that's what you are aiming for. Nice throwback.

No, but you’d think that would curry me some favour with the “But TRUDEAU!!!” crowd… and yet…

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, but you’d think that would curry me some favour with the “But TRUDEAU!!!” crowd… and yet…

I wouldn't write off the flack that Trudeau is getting as a rote " But Trudeau" reaction.

The article posted by calgarygeologist points out some ugly facts. The federal gov't knew about rising Indian Intelligenxe networks within Canada since 2017. CSIS had a plan to shut it down but "Ottawa" blocked that operation due to political sensitivity.

Now, it comes out from the same Gov't that blocked the shutdown that there is credible evidence that Indian played a role on murdering a man on Canadian soil, because it opposes the cause he was fighting for.

The broad theme is that a man died on Canadian soil in service to political expediency. The Trudeau government was in charge the whole time, so it and its leader, are going to wear it. Comes with being in charge. It would be the same for any party in power. A man is dead, this is a tragedy, and in political terms, a major ###### up. Under circumstances like these, accountability goes right to the top.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I wouldn't write off the flack that Trudeau is getting as a rote " But Trudeau" reaction.

The article posted by calgarygeologist points out some ugly facts. The federal gov't knew about rising Indian Intelligenxe networks within Canada since 2017. CSIS had a plan to shut it down but "Ottawa" blocked that operation due to political sensitivity.

Now, it comes out from the same Gov't that blocked the shutdown that there is credible evidence that Indian played a role on murdering a man on Canadian soil, because it opposes the cause he was fighting for.

The broad theme is that a man died on Canadian soil in service to political expediency. The Trudeau government was in charge the whole time, so it and its leader, are going to wear it. Comes with being in charge. It would be the same for any party in power. A man is dead, this is a tragedy, and in political terms, a major ###### up. Under circumstances like these, accountability goes right to the top.

You have to show more that one instance in 2017 to make the connection that this is the result of nothing being done, no action being taken, and the direct result of politician inaction between 2017 and 2023. That’s 6 years. What happened in the last 6 years?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No, but you’d think that would curry me some favour with the “But TRUDEAU!!!” crowd… and yet…

It's not 'But TRUDEAU'. Canadians aren't as terrified of litigation due to language usage as the Americans.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You have to show more that one instance in 2017 to make the connection that this is the result of nothing being done, no action being taken, and the direct result of politician inaction between 2017 and 2023. That’s 6 years. What happened in the last 6 years?

Well, the last thing that happened was that Hardeep Singh Nijjar was murdered. And the more I think about it, that's enough on its own. The feds are the one who are responsible for thwarting assassinations by foreign governments. Whatever else happened in the last six years, tue Trudeau gov't blew it. There has to be accountability.

I guess you think differently, that there should be an accounting of the last six.years first. I just don't see how it would absolve anyone of anything. "We tried our best" just doesn't cut it here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Well, the last thing that happened was that Hardeep Singh Nijjar was murdered. And the more I think about it, that's enough on its own. The feds are the one who are responsible for thwarting assassinations by foreign governments. Whatever else happened in the last six years, tue Trudeau gov't blew it. There has to be accountability.

I guess you think differently, that there should be an accounting of the last six.years first. I just don't see how it would absolve anyone of anything. "We tried our best" just doesn't cut it here.

The feds are responsible for ensuring that the agencies responsible for things like thwarting assassinations or terrorist attacks have what they need to do so. Trudeau and Freeland are not out there making security intelligence calls and deciding the best course of action when it comes to law enforcement and civilian protection, that would be absurd.

It’s not enough to point to one instance six years ago and say “that’s what caused this, Trudeau should have ignored his National Security Advisor because that’s why someone was murdered six years ago.”

Sorry, it’s just not. And I’m not even negating the possibility that this does stem from a recent failure of the government to ensure these agencies had the tools, of which Trudeau could be blamed. It would not be surprising. But to come to that conclusion so quickly given what we know and don’t know is absurd.

Even if you said, “Ultimately, Trudeau is responsible so he’s the one who is accountable,” what does that actually solve? If the problem was a bad judgement call at CSIS despite having all the resources to make the right one, what problem did you actually solve? What did you prevent? Absolutely nothing.

You can hand waive away every fact and rely solely on assumptions and bias to lay this on whoever you want, but what good does it do? If Trudeau were to be booted for this and the problem remains, do you honestly think the next man or woman in charge is going to be any better equipped? You don’t, I’m guessing, but I doubt very much you care, because thwarting future assassination attempts is not the objective here for anyone rushing to point the finger at Trudeau, and I think if we’re being honest we all know that.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

I'm not waiving facts or assuming anything. I am working with the information that is publically available. When I review it, I see circumstances that say, here is something the PM must account for. The safety of a nation's population from hostile foreign actors being so fundamental to the base functions of government, responsibility goes all the way to the top. If the PM is not to be responsible for things of this nature, what is any PM ever responsible for? It's not partisan. This is me, a voting citizen, saying hey, leader guy, wtf? How could you and your government let this happen? And to be clear it is, "let this happen" I never said the decision to stop CSIS' plan caused this. It is the failure of a fundamental function of government that warrants the account.

[aaronck]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1704295391120834907

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I, for one, am shocked that the Toronto Sun might have reported something untrue with a misleading headline. It's usually so reliable.

edit: Sun, not Star

[Fuzz]

A new federal party is entering the fray and is hoping to gain support from voters unhappy with the federal Liberals and Conservatives.

The group Centre Ice Canadians (CIC) announced Wednesday that, after months of consultations, it would be launching a new centrist party — the Canadian Future Party.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new...972891?cmp=rss

Nice, let's see how this plays out...If they do start getting purchase I wonder who is more negatively affected by this? If it is straight centre, I could see an opportunity for them to take some Conservative seats in Western cities where there is still little hope of Liberal progress, and Canadians not interested in Pierre's toxic political methods might support them enough to get seats.

And those out east sick of the Liberals, but not willing to vote for a Bitcoin Bro would be happy for another choice.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

I'm not waiving facts or assuming anything. I am working with the information that is publically available. When I review it, I see circumstances that say, here is something the PM must account for. The safety of a nation's population from hostile foreign actors being so fundamental to the base functions of government, responsibility goes all the way to the top. If the PM is not to be responsible for things of this nature, what is any PM ever responsible for? It's not partisan. This is me, a voting citizen, saying hey, leader guy, wtf? How could you and your government let this happen? And to be clear it is, "let this happen" I never said the decision to stop CSIS' plan caused this. It is the failure of a fundamental function of government that warrants the account.

See, this to me is a lot more reasonable and something I can appreciate, as opposed to a blanket “Trudeau failed to act because of a report that doesn’t suggest that in 2017 but sounds like it confirms my bias” that a couple of the more blindly partisan posters immediately held on to.

There should be an investigation, both in getting to the bottom of who is responsible for the murder itself, and how the failure of a fundamental function of government occurred (including the circumstances that caused the failure and where that responsibility ultimately lies). I think it’s right to expect the government to find and share these answers with the public, I just think it’s absurd to point the finger and pretend we know where that failure occurred without that process.

I also agree that India should be included in the public inquiry into foreign interference.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new...972891?cmp=rss

Nice, let's see how this plays out...If they do start getting purchase I wonder who is more negatively affected by this? If it is straight centre, I could see an opportunity for them to take some Conservative seats in Western cities where there is still little hope of Liberal progress, and Canadians not interested in Pierre's toxic political methods might support them enough to get seats.

And those out east sick of the Liberals, but not willing to vote for a Bitcoin Bro would be happy for another choice.

That looks interesting and maybe something I could support.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Fun fact, The Keg doesn't have a single food item on the menu for over $59 (obviously bottled wine doesn't count)

It's hit and miss and depends on the location, but the Rib Eye at The Keg on King St. in downtown Toronto is done very well. I've gone there on different nights and it's consistently well done. Tried other places, including Keg Mansion here in Toronto and is not at the same level. Doesn't compare to higher end places of course, but it's the one spot that has served up a very good steak considering it's from The Keg.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's hit and miss and depends on the location, but the Rib Eye at The Keg on King St. in downtown Toronto is done very well. I've gone there on different nights and it's consistently well done. Tried other places, including Keg Mansion here in Toronto and is not at the same level. Doesn't compare to higher end places of course, but it's the one spot that has served up a very good steak considering it's from The Keg.

I've never been to the King St. location, my usual was York St. since I regularly stayed at the Sheraton Centre on Queen St. If I get out there again, I'll need to stop in.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/new...972891?cmp=rss

Nice, let's see how this plays out...If they do start getting purchase I wonder who is more negatively affected by this? If it is straight centre, I could see an opportunity for them to take some Conservative seats in Western cities where there is still little hope of Liberal progress, and Canadians not interested in Pierre's toxic political methods might support them enough to get seats.

And those out east sick of the Liberals, but not willing to vote for a Bitcoin Bro would be happy for another choice.

The Liberals perfected the art of cynical politics on the back of NDP support. The Greens are a joke with it being May’s vanity vehicle.

Fair enough some else wants to take a swing, especially at the center where the Liberals were, but chose to mortgage their winning formula for Trudeau.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by activeStick

It's hit and miss and depends on the location, but the Rib Eye at The Keg on King St. in downtown Toronto is done very well. I've gone there on different nights and it's consistently well done. Tried other places, including Keg Mansion here in Toronto and is not at the same level. Doesn't compare to higher end places of course, but it's the one spot that has served up a very good steak considering it's from The Keg.

That's it, you've convinced me to give it a go. Thank you sir!

[TherapyforGlencross]

https://apnews.com/article/india-can...0bd53b03ccbdf2

India halted all visa services for citizens of Canada and told it to reduce its diplomatic staffing on Thursday as a rift widened between the countries after Canada’s leader said India may have been involved in the killing of a Canadian citizen.

[transplant99]

This is going well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

The Liberals perfected the art of cynical politics on the back of NDP support. The Greens are a joke with it being May’s vanity vehicle.

Fair enough some else wants to take a swing, especially at the center where the Liberals were, but chose to mortgage their winning formula for Trudeau.

The Liberals are still firmly in the centre. Nothing they've done is a far left swing.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by TherapyforGlencross

https://apnews.com/article/india-can...0bd53b03ccbdf2

We saw it with Saudi Arabia and China too. We're looked at similar to the US, but we can be bullied and the US can't so we take all the crap