Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Hahaha ah yes, gotta shoehorn Freeland who isn’t mentioned in the report and wasn’t involved in the meetings into some of the blame.

Conservative partisans have completely lost the plot. Meanwhile PP is mocking Trudeau for not making friends with India while you guys are twisting yourself in knots trying to blame him for allowing the murder to happen because an different government official didn’t inform an Indian diplomat of something unrelated on a singular trip 6 years ago.

Insane.

[Fuzz]

Canadian Sikh Facebook users posting about the assassination of a Sikh community leader are seeing posts disappear and accounts suspended in response to legal demands by the Indian government.

https://pressprogress.ca/facebook-is...as-government/


Nice one, Facebook.

[Doctorfever]

Guess you are finished commenting on the facts, so you try whereaboutism.

It is fine. We all know you aren’t partisan and would never vote liberal. Haha.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

#### off Cory. You aren't entitled to any classified information, you stupid muppet.

Any one who reposts Cory Morgan tweets on here needs to be instabanned and a kick to the nuts. jesus.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Guess you are finished commenting on the facts, so you try whereaboutism.

It is fine. We all know you aren’t partisan and would never vote liberal. Haha.

Hahaha what is “whereaboutism”? Where about India? Where about Vancouver?

Don’t be afraid to start commenting on the facts. You can just say you don’t understand what is in the report and don’t understand the timeline or how government agencies work. I know that’s more frightening than just saying “uh… uh… it’s Trudeau’s fault!!!!” but literally nobody would care. You’re not going to lose Conservative-credibility points if you actually read something properly. PP isn’t going to come over and shake your hand because of some undying commitment to finding a reason to blame Trudeau for everything. You can either believe that a government agency not informing Indian diplomats on one trip in 2017 allowed a murder to happen in 2023, or you can live in reality.

And I am partisan, toward the NDP, and have voted Liberal

[Doctorfever]

Figured you would vote liberal, even though you support NDP (weird).

I stand by what I said. Trudeau knew about interference a long time ago. Did nothing about it, and here we are.

He could have done something, but he didn’t. Makes you wonder why someone with inside information would talk to the press about Liberals knowing about foreign interference but doing nothing about it.

[transplant99]

Just tone deaf.

Cabinet billed $275,469 for 3-day retreat on #inflation, records show. Expenses for Vancouver Hyatt Sept 6, 2022 included $46,266 for catering and $8,850 for restaurants.

https://www.blacklocks.ca/275000-for-inflation-summit/

[Ozy_Flame]

How much was it per person? What is the average that is spent per person on Cabinet trips like this in the past?

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

How much was it per person? What is the average that is spent per person on Cabinet trips like this in the past?

Exactly.

I'd love to rip into these people for being dumbasses, but I'll need a little more context before doing so. Can't stand when lump sum numbers are cited out of context.

[Wormius]

Whoa. They ate at a restaurant that sells an $88 steak. Great reporting.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

How much was it per person? What is the average that is spent per person on Cabinet trips like this in the past?

Not nearly as much as their last lobster boil back in August.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/edito...51945bf17/amp/

[Ozy_Flame]

It's just become part of the common discourse to create scary narrative with no context. People should demand better.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by JeanLucPicard

It does not matter if a person is Canadian citizen or not, belongs to whatever group/ideology/activism, or categorized as a criminal by another country

An assassination of a individual on Canadian soil by members associated with the government of India, ie. sanctioned by them, is a violation of sovereignty. There is no "buts" about this.

A lot of people are asking "oh but was he a citizen? did he become that from loopholes? was he involved in illegal activities or designated as a criminal by India?" and so on. That is not the issue at all

I am trusting that any Canadian PM wouldn't just come out and directly blame the government openly if CSIS didn't have concrete evidence.

What is unfortunate is that Canadian is not a military power, because if it was, countries like India who openly prosecute so many people within their country, would think twice before sending agents to Canada and violate their sovereignty.

I may have missed it, but was anyone here actually questioning if he was a Canadian citizen? I agree, when talking about a murder on Canadian soil, whether or not someone is a Canadian citizen doesn't make it less of a crime, however Canadian citizens are guaranteed rights and protections by the government.

The back story is relevant however, due to the fact that this is an international incident with national security concerns. Whether we like it or not, our country has been implicated as sanctuary for what another country (an economic and nuclear power) sees as terrorist activities. Whether or not these allegations or true or appropriate, I don't know, but it is justifiably part of the conversation.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Whoa. They ate at a restaurant that sells an $88 steak. Great reporting.

Oh my god. THEY ATE AT THE KEG STEAKHOUSE!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I may have missed it, but was anyone here actually questioning if he was a Canadian citizen? I agree, when talking about a murder on Canadian soil, whether or not someone is a Canadian citizen doesn't make it less of a crime, however Canadian citizens are guaranteed rights and protections by the government.

I think it's a more fundamental attack on sovereignty. From a political science perspective, sovereignty is derived largely from the monopoly of force within a defined geographic region. Another state wielding deadly force within another state's boundaries eradicates the notion of monopoly of force...

This is troubling. Comparable to the Khashogi murder... can one claim that the united states is without sovereignty following that event? I doubt it... But I think it does elicit important questions about what a modern state is in today's global context. It might indicate that the monopoly of force is dead as a defining concept. Citizenship is separate I think, but interesting that people are willing to make a distinction based on whether the individual is a citizen. Our society is primed to accept that sort of social distinction.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Figured you would vote liberal, even though you support NDP (weird).

I stand by what I said. Trudeau knew about interference a long time ago. Did nothing about it, and here we are.

He could have done something, but he didn’t. Makes you wonder why someone with inside information would talk to the press about Liberals knowing about foreign interference but doing nothing about it.

How do you know he did nothing for the entire period between October 2017 and June 2023?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Oh my god. THEY ATE AT THE KEG STEAKHOUSE!

Fun fact, The Keg doesn't have a single food item on the menu for over $59 (obviously bottled wine doesn't count).

That said, hotel restaurants always seem to command something of a premium.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How do you know he did nothing for the entire period between October 2017 and June 2023?

Maybe he did do something, but clearly didn’t do a good enough job.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hahaha ah yes, gotta shoehorn Freeland who isn’t mentioned in the report and wasn’t involved in the meetings into some of the blame.

Conservative partisans have completely lost the plot. Meanwhile PP is mocking Trudeau for not making friends with India while you guys are twisting yourself in knots trying to blame him for allowing the murder to happen because an different government official didn’t inform an Indian diplomat of something unrelated on a singular trip 6 years ago.

Insane.

Serious question: Are you deliberately posting in Trump's old style?

Rant, rant
rant, rant, rant

One word derogatory summation

You know like the 2016 election classics;

Crooked Hilary is hiding e-mails that prove Obama was born in Kenya and all the Democrats know it but won't say anything because they are afraid only I can Make America Great Again. Losers.

Same thing in post 8682

It's a good bit, if that's what you are aiming for. Nice throwback.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think it's a more fundamental attack on sovereignty. From a political science perspective, sovereignty is derived largely from the monopoly of force within a defined geographic region. Another state wielding deadly force within another state's boundaries eradicates the notion of monopoly of force...

This is troubling. Comparable to the Khashogi murder... can one claim that the united states is without sovereignty following that event? I doubt it... But I think it does elicit important questions about what a modern state is in today's global context. It might indicate that the monopoly of force is dead as a defining concept. Citizenship is separate I think, but interesting that people are willing to make a distinction based on whether the individual is a citizen. Our society is primed to accept that sort of social distinction.

I totally agree that it is an attack on sovereignty as well as just a straight up crime at the civilian level. I think the citizen aspect plays into it because when someone is bestowed with citizenship, it is a recognition that the person was vetted and deemed to not pose a threat. Asylum and citizenship seekers get turned away all the time because of this reason.

Countries violate the sovereignty of other countries in this regard all the time when they think it is justified. The Canadian government would likely no issues assassinating an ISIS leader in another country if they thought that person posed a threat to Canada. Rightly or wrongly, India sees some of these separatist organizations based in Canada as a threat to their security and have no issues violating our sovereignty to a address that threat. Assuming of course that the allegations against India are true, which I personally believe they are at this point.