Yup this is always the tough part as a fan...we don't know what the return is right now.
We can assume the market is strong but I do feel like if a market was there for Hanifin he'd be moved already.
Market seems soft right now. Last year we were surprised how strong the market was for rentals at the deadline - so probably hoping that's the case again if they need to move these guys.
And maybe they will be more clarity as to what the cap will be. I wonder too how much folks wanting to extend a Hanafin is handcuffed by teams not knowing how much space they have to play with.
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Thats why Flames fans make ideal Star Trek fans. We've really been taught to embrace the self-loathing and extreme criticism.
So for people saying this needs to be solved now, would you then be OK seeing the Flames trade him for a poor price. What is the tipping point for all of you between "THIS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED NOW" and the return the team gets. Because clearly those two things are at odds.
No, but I got the impression people are anxious to know whether he's going to be crowbarred into a franchise player for the next 9 yrs, more so than what the return is. Although I think signing him is the worst case scenario so maybe I'm just projecting.
No, but I got the impression people are anxious to know whether he's going to be crowbarred into a franchise player for the next 9 yrs, more so than what the return is. Although I think signing him is the worst case scenario so maybe I'm just projecting.
I think that's a really valid concern but the Flames just have to take the best of what they can get right now, and if the trades look like crap, signing him is the next best thing. If they sign him they just have to hope that having that much money invested long term in Lindholm and Huberdeau is worth while and they end up performing as top tier forwards in the league. It certainly isn't a guarantee.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
Playoff success is the ultimate priority, but I can see how fans at least enjoy seasons like 21/22.
There were some real jump out of your seat memories that season, I still remember certain game and goals and how much I enjoyed watching them like the 4-3 OT win over the Avs.
At least I was getting value for my time as a fan committing 3 hours a game to watch Flames hockey.
Solid entertainment value and excitement as a hockey fan, even though the playoff loss to the Oilers really sucked.
I also felt that team could come back the next season and maybe get further; that they would be around the top competitive teams for a while and have another shot at it.
Last season was the lowest of lows where it wasn't even enjoyable to watch games. Just don't give me that level of garbage again.
Yeah, that season was amazing to watch. Incredible creative hockey and a ton of talent. I do disagree with you though about last season being the lowest of lows. I still remember watching the Flames pre-Iginla's arrival. Last season doesn't even come close to those years for me. Missing the playoffs by January for me isn't even in the ballpark of missing the playoffs in the last 2 weeks of the season.
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Yeah, that season was amazing to watch. Incredible creative hockey and a ton of talent. I do disagree with you though about last season being the lowest of lows. I still remember watching the Flames pre-Iginla's arrival. Last season doesn't even come close to those years for me. Missing the playoffs by January for me isn't even in the ballpark of missing the playoffs in the last 2 weeks of the season.
But you're going back to pre-salary cap NHL, where the Flames were a feeder team for the big spenders. That's not comparable as they could not compete in the NHL no matter what they did. There were teams with triple the payroll.
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But you're going back to pre-salary cap NHL, where the Flames were a feeder team for the big spenders. That's not comparable as they could not compete in the NHL no matter what they did. There were teams with triple the payroll.
Sure, but for many fans, that was part of the frustration and part of the pain of being a fan. It was even more hopeless. And the product wasn't good.
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I remember reading the paper 2003ish and thinking hey wait a minute. We'd been fed this narrative by local media since the late 90s about Calgary being a small market that can't compete. Yet the SJ Sharks at the time were contenders in the west and had a 30millionish payroll. Other Canadian teams like the Canucks were not spending much more than the Flames. Nor the Oilers or Sens in the East. All playoff teams. The narrative about us being non-competitive pre-salary cap was half true. It sort of glossed over that the Flames were just managed incompetently for a long time
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It's being reported that Patrick Kane is recovering a lot quicker than anticipated and he is going to start considering offers. He is still questionable to start playing at game 1, but it won't be much later than that apparently.
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"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
It's being reported that Patrick Kane is recovering a lot quicker than anticipated and he is going to start considering offers. He is still questionable to start playing at game 1, but it won't be much later than that apparently.
The best team that has the most cap space available is New Jersey, but even they only have about 1.9 remaining. Moves will need to be made by the team that signs him as he isn't going to ask for a small number.
I remember reading the paper 2003ish and thinking hey wait a minute. We'd been fed this narrative by local media since the late 90s about Calgary being a small market that can't compete. Yet the SJ Sharks at the time were contenders in the west and had a 30millionish payroll. Other Canadian teams like the Canucks were not spending much more than the Flames. Nor the Oilers or Sens in the East. All playoff teams. The narrative about us being non-competitive pre-salary cap was half true. It sort of glossed over that the Flames were just managed incompetently for a long time
Those teams were still mostly first round fodder.
From 95-03 the only cup champions were the Devils, Avalanche, Red Wings, or Stars. Florida, Buffalo, Carolina, and Anaheim had some "Cinderella story" runs to the finals, but everyone was shocked at the time when the teams made those runs.
It was actually interesting that it was the last season before the lockout and salary cap that you had two smaller market teams in the finals in the Lightning and Flames.
The late 80 and most of the 90s the draft was largely a crap shoot, and for the most part even having early picks didn't guarantee success and allow you to build a winner. Veteran teams built in free agency / trades were largely how teams won.
Now it's fair to say in a salary cap era the Flames haven't really been able to adjust to winning via building via the draft either.
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I definitely think the Flames should only trade Lindholm if they’re getting a good return. But I’m also not sure the Flames aren’t still focused only on re-signing Lindholm. I’m not sure the Flames have tried to trade Lindholm at this point. So, I don’t think anyone’s saying the Flames must trade Lindholm now. They’re more saying it’s time to shift from trying to re-sign to trying to trade. But even then, I think everyone agrees the Flames must get a good return before trading Lindholm. Also, they could switch back to trying to re-sign if Lindholm later indicates he wants to do that.
It's being reported that Patrick Kane is recovering a lot quicker than anticipated and he is going to start considering offers. He is still questionable to start playing at game 1, but it won't be much later than that apparently.
He’s going to Edmonton with Toews on league minimum contracts.
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Dallas was one of the places that was mentioned as a landing spot for Kane. I can see him fitting in there and why he might be interested, but they would need to dump salary somewhere. Maybe if they could find a taker for Faksa (Arizona lol).
I could see Seattle and Carolina having interest as well. Carolina wants to add and it a legit contender. Seattle is a deep team, but could use one more impact forward. I think Kane would really suit their playing style.
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"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
Dallas was one of the places that was mentioned as a landing spot for Kane. I can see him fitting in there and why he might be interested, but they would need to dump salary somewhere. Maybe if they could find a taker for Faksa (Arizona lol).
I could see Seattle and Carolina having interest as well. Carolina wants to add and it a legit contender. Seattle is a deep team, but could use one more impact forward. I think Kane would really suit their playing style.
To me it's the Sabres all day long. He'll fit perfectly, and give that young team some championship experience.
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