Air Canada ceasing certain routes from YYC

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

CP is a funny place where posters celebrate the populace's purchasing power and quality of life declining. A lot of the most prominent posters on this forum are misanthropes and it shows.

It’s also a funny place because one single airline stops flights to a few destinations and people act like it’s an attack on art, joy, and the very essence of what makes human beings thrive and embrace life.

Flights get cancelled at the last minute, they don’t have enough pilots, and airlines are cancelling routes, and people absolutely lose their mind. And if you say “hey, maybe flying should be more expensive or people should fly less” people lose their mind at that too.

I don’t know, from a practical business standpoint it sure sounds like flying should be more expensive if y’all want all airlines to stop cancelling flights and entire routes. Or maybe they’re just doing it because they hate art.

[Bigtime]

Cool cool, I guess we'll take the actual aviation discussion back to the YYC thread.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...04391&page=138

[White Out 403]

nm not worth the argument with that DB.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Cool cool, I guess we'll take the actual aviation discussion back to the YYC thread.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...04391&page=138

So this isn't a time to start making quips about the essentialness of oils?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by fotze2

If quality of life and happiness is not essential then you are 100% right. I'm genuinely curious what kind of world you envision where non-essentials are out of reach for most.

That's the most depressing thing I can think of. The only thing that makes us get up in the morning is the "non-essentials".

you can have quality of life and happiness without thinking it's essential to have cheap flights at your convenience all over the world.

You can't seriously tell me that right now a trip on a plane is beyond the reach of most Canadians.

It's a luxury and not the essential need that whiteout claimed, (and I don't think he even bothered to explain how flying is an essential need)

but I might be the ######bag he referred to previous post, so it's obvious there is no point arguing the difference of opinion.

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

you can have quality of life and happiness without thinking it's essential to have cheap flights at your convenience all over the world.

You can't seriously tell me that right now a trip on a plane is beyond the reach of most Canadians.

It's a luxury and not the essential need that whiteout claimed, (and I don't think he even bothered to explain how flying is an essential need)

but I'm assuming I'm the ######bag he referred to previous post, so it's obvious there is no point arguing the difference of opinion.

But doesn't having cheap accessible flights across the country promote a healthy economy? More travel dollars being spent within the country. More business opportunities as companies will fly more employees to different regions/events and spend more money.

[iggy_oi]

I had no idea that considering destination vacations to not be essential while at the same time agreeing that having less options and potentially higher prices for flights is a bad thing for consumers would be so controversial.

[White Out 403]

Only in this modern dystopia is travelling inside your own country a luxury. We dont have high speed rail, I would love for that to exist. But because we dont, I don't consider affordable access to flying inside Canada a luxury item. And if you think thats a luxury that's a you problem and most Canadians would think your a dick for believing it to be a luxury.

This reminds me of the Simpsons and Burns talking about air travel used to only be for the rich and they didnt have to deal with riff raff.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by fundmark19

But doesn't having cheap accessible flights across the country promote a healthy economy? More travel dollars being spent within the country. More business opportunities as companies will fly more employees to different regions/events and spend more money.

And that's a good argument, but wouldn't a lot of those dollars companies spend to fly their employees around just be spent anyway? I don't think a business flying employees around adds more to the economy, but just changes who gets the money.

for me, I guess I was focused more on the OP complaining about the situation and referring to what airlines do as being criminal and calling flying an essential service.
Just like he assumed I was rich, I assumed he was complaining about his holidays being more expensive and less convenient.

I've read that "In a broad sense, essential services are those “daily services essential to preserving life, health, public safety and basic societal functioning”.

doesn't sound like recreational flights and most business flights would qualify as an essential service.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Only in this modern dystopia is travelling inside your own country a luxury. We dont have high speed rail, I would love for that to exist. But because we dont, I don't consider affordable access to flying inside Canada a luxury item. And if you think thats a luxury that's a you problem and most Canadians would think your a dick for believing it to be a luxury.

This reminds me of the Simpsons and Burns talking about air travel used to only be for the rich and they didnt have to deal with riff raff.

and I don't consider it as you said an essential service.

want to speak to that instead of the name calling? (I.E. calling people DB and a dick)

[White Out 403]

I wasn't referring to you. I think you're wrong and your thinking is about this bad. But I wasn't referring to you.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I wasn't referring to you. I think you're wrong and your thinking is about this bad. But I wasn't referring to you.

fair enough. we all assume sometimes, to our detriment.

I will concede that flying shouldn't be something that only the very rich can do.
But I do think it's being taken for granted that it should be cheap, and convenient. People far too often think it's a need, when it really isn't.

I think prices right now are too cheap. Are airlines really making tons of money on a flight across one of the largest countries in the world for only $500? No wonder they're downsizing their flight schedules.

Look at CP. I see many threads and posts on this board where people are talking about trips they're taken and are going to take. I don't think there are any on how nobody can afford to take a plane trip even once a year anymore.

Doesn't sound like price is an issue, so there must be room for prices to go up even more without air travel becoming the domain of the rich.

Just seems like a misguided argument. I think as a nation we've become too entitled to some extent.

[White Out 403]

I'm going to be in Cape Breton soon, and, flying from Atlantic Canada to Calgary is very expensive and unreasonably so. My brother in law, whos a really great uncle to my kids, will really miss them. So we promised to bring them back here every 2nd year. For a family of 4 that will cost us probably more than flying to Europe. I don't consider that acceptable and I know almost all Canadians agree. This isn't a debated topic really. I just find it contrarian to take the airlines view here or, a view that airline travel is this decadent thing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Only in this modern dystopia is travelling inside your own country a luxury. We dont have high speed rail, I would love for that to exist. But because we dont, I don't consider affordable access to flying inside Canada a luxury item. And if you think thats a luxury that's a you problem and most Canadians would think your a dick for believing it to be a luxury.

This reminds me of the Simpsons and Burns talking about air travel used to only be for the rich and they didnt have to deal with riff raff.

Nobody said travelling inside your own country is a luxury. Nor has anyone suggested air travel should be the exclusive domain of the rich as far as I can tell.

But, it seems like people have to choose between their version of "affordable" access to flying, and having all the routes they want with a selection of airlines and minimal or no cancellations. Because it appears as though "both" is not an option currently on the table.

I think it's fair to say that travelling across the world for a vacation is a luxury, and that flying to another city for a business meeting that could be done remotely and flying back the same or next day is probably unnecessary. Agree?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Only in this modern dystopia is travelling inside your own country a luxury. We dont have high speed rail, I would love for that to exist. But because we dont, I don't consider affordable access to flying inside Canada a luxury item. And if you think thats a luxury that's a you problem and most Canadians would think your a dick for believing it to be a luxury.

This reminds me of the Simpsons and Burns talking about air travel used to only be for the rich and they didnt have to deal with riff raff.

Well the reality remains that it is a luxury for many Canadians who can’t afford it. No different than how owning a car is considered a luxury for many Canadians who can’t afford it. If acknowledging that makes people consider me to be a dick I’m not going to lose very much sleep over it because that’s a pretty ridiculous position to take.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm going to be in Cape Breton soon, and, flying from Atlantic Canada to Calgary is very expensive and unreasonably so. My brother in law, whos a really great uncle to my kids, will really miss them. So we promised to bring them back here every 2nd year. For a family of 4 that will cost us probably more than flying to Europe. I don't consider that acceptable and I know almost all Canadians agree. This isn't a debated topic really. I just find it contrarian to take the airlines view here or, a view that airline travel is this decadent thing.

What do you think it should cost you to fly 4 people for 5.5 hours (11 hours total)?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I'm going to be in Cape Breton soon, and, flying from Atlantic Canada to Calgary is very expensive and unreasonably so. My brother in law, whos a really great uncle to my kids, will really miss them. So we promised to bring them back here every 2nd year. For a family of 4 that will cost us probably more than flying to Europe. I don't consider that acceptable and I know almost all Canadians agree. This isn't a debated topic really. I just find it contrarian to take the airlines view here or, a view that airline travel is this decadent thing.

And your cost of living should also be a touch lower than living near Pearson or Pierre Elliott Trudeau airports, so you might just have to put aside some of that unused cash for the more expensive transportation from your home to Calgary.

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

for me, I guess I was focused more on the OP complaining about the situation and referring to what airlines do as being criminal and calling flying an essential service.

It very well could be though. AC has a back room agreement to pull out certain amount of flights from the west. Westjet does the same from the east and boom we have price fixing which would be illegal since no more competition exisits.

If it can happen with bread it can happen with airlines.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Weitz

What do you think it should cost you to fly 4 people for 5.5 hours (11 hours total)?

30,000 dollars

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

30,000 dollars

It might be too soon for when you had in mind but WestJet has one-way Calgary-Halifax flights available in October for $175 each. The cheapest I could find the other way to make it work was $192 though.