Ahsoka - streaming Tuesdays at 9pm EST

[Locke]

I knew it! Futurama was right all along!



Space Whales!!

[Locke]

Overall, I'm going to call that a 'Good' episode.

The episodes are beautifully shot, the callbacks while a little hammy, are fun.

I actually think the actress who plays Sabine is starting to get a handle on it. Not physically, but with dialogue. Like when she talks to the cup...thats Sabine. Cracking jokes during a fight...thats more like it.

Dawson as Ahsoka though...I dont know whats going on there. I understand people are complaining that she's 'wooden' but we've seen her do this character before, and she's a talented actress.

I wonder if her directions are..."You're the Master now. You're the 'old hand' you have to be calmer, more mature."

And thats the direction she's taking the character. It feels deliberate.

Other than that, pretty good. The New Republic is as crappy as the Empire was and as dumb as the Jedi where they cant see the direct threat immediately under their noses despite ample warnings.

And of course....Space Whales.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by Locke

Overall, I'm going to call that a 'Good' episode.

The episodes are beautifully shot, the callbacks while a little hammy, are fun.

I actually think the actress who plays Sabine is starting to get a handle on it. Not physically, but with dialogue. Like when she talks to the cup...thats Sabine. Cracking jokes during a fight...thats more like it.

Dawson as Ahsoka though...I dont know whats going on there. I understand people are complaining that she's 'wooden' but we've seen her do this character before, and she's a talented actress.

I wonder if her directions are..."You're the Master now. You're the 'old hand' you have to be calmer, more mature."

And thats the direction she's taking the character. It feels deliberate.

Other than that, pretty good. The New Republic is as crappy as the Empire was and as dumb as the Jedi where they cant see the direct threat immediately under their noses despite ample warnings.

And of course....Space Whales.

i wonder if people are comparing live action ahsoka to 'clone wars ahsoka' instead of 'rebels ahsoka'
the 'rebels ahsoka' is definitely older and more mature. i remember watching a video about the making of clone wars season 7 and ashley eckstein said that she had to go back and almost 'relearn' how she voiced a younger ahsoka.


so far i'm enjoying this show - love the cheesy call backs and easter eggs.
i really liked how hera called out the senator asking how many wars he's fought in. it was also neat seeing jacen syndulla.

[Yeah_Baby]

I'm really here for Ramona Flowers Hera.

I still think Andor is heads and shoulders above anything else in Star Wars Live Action TV, but to date I like Ahsoka more than Boba Fett, Obi-wan, and Mando S3.

[blankall]

Maybe I'm getting less out of the show, because I never watched any of the animated content. It just seems really uneven to me. Sometimes the shots are great. Other times they are real let down. The acting is very inconsistent.

Still think it's a good show worth seeing out, and I think they are dong a great job of setting up a solid ending.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by blankall

Maybe I'm getting less out of the show, because I never watched any of the animated content. It just seems really uneven to me. Sometimes the shots are great. Other times they are real let down. The acting is very inconsistent.

Still think it's a good show worth seeing out, and I think they are dong a great job of setting up a solid ending.

They didn't really intro any of the characters in an effective way for new viewers imo.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by blankall

Maybe I'm getting less out of the show, because I never watched any of the animated content. It just seems really uneven to me. Sometimes the shots are great. Other times they are real let down. The acting is very inconsistent.

Still think it's a good show worth seeing out, and I think they are dong a great job of setting up a solid ending.

Definitely. I did watch most of the animated content and I am certain there is still stuff I'm missing.

I also think that Star Wars being inconsistent on whats 'Canon' and what isnt is beginning to become quite confusing.

[Yeah_Baby]

I didn't realize the Old Republic Jedi Droid survived until the post RotJ era and remembered him from TCW.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

Overall, I'm going to call that a 'Good' episode.

The episodes are beautifully shot, the callbacks while a little hammy, are fun.

I actually think the actress who plays Sabine is starting to get a handle on it. Not physically, but with dialogue. Like when she talks to the cup...thats Sabine. Cracking jokes during a fight...thats more like it.

Dawson as Ahsoka though...I dont know whats going on there. I understand people are complaining that she's 'wooden' but we've seen her do this character before, and she's a talented actress.

I wonder if her directions are..."You're the Master now. You're the 'old hand' you have to be calmer, more mature."

And thats the direction she's taking the character. It feels deliberate.

Other than that, pretty good. The New Republic is as crappy as the Empire was and as dumb as the Jedi where they cant see the direct threat immediately under their noses despite ample warnings.

And of course....Space Whales.

Its strange because RD's Ashoka is almost emotionless. Even Rebels Ashoka was fiery and had some emotion.

I mean its bad form to compare a cartoon figure to a live action. But in Rebels and her confrontation with Vader, or her dialogue with Rex, there was fire.

In Clone Wars even as she got older, she had a bit of bite to her. Her trash talking of Maul in their final fight.

But this Ashoka is almost like a Vulcan, its just a flat and even delivery.

The other thing is its like Dawson keeps trying to figure out what to do with her arms, its really strange. Its like in her appearance in Mando, it was easy because she got to play against the Baby, and fight a strong and interesting character, she didn't have to develop a long term character.

Hera is still hard to get used to, but MEW is doing a good job of it. Same with Sabine, she's growing on me too, though I'd like to see more Smart ass jerk out of her.

The show itself was pretty good and moves at a good pace. The cinematography is brilliant and the staging is great. But frankly the best acted characters are the villains.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by blankall

I have mixed feelings about the show so far. There seems to be a lot of pointless scenes. The training scenes are way too long. I'm finding the actor who plays Wren to be awful at acting. The aesthetics of the droid seem off too. Rosario Dawson just looks like she is wearing a rubber hat with white face paint lines. The makeup effect are really bad. I've actually fallen asleep twice in in this show.

I think there are a lot of positives too. I'm pretty intrigued by the bad guys, the whales, the intergalactic travel, etc...There just seems to be a lot of filler.

I wasn't going to say anything because I figured it was just my own boozing... but yeah, I'm guilty of that too.

And I agree 100% there are a lot of positives to the show, and a ton of interesting potential.

I really like Rosario Dawson, but I'm not sure about this fit for her. The makeup is lifeless, and her action sequences all seem a bit slow and awkward IMO.

[KelVarnsen]

The actor playing Morgan Elsbeth reminds me of a boss I had years ago.

I am hoping Morgan gets light sabered to death because of this.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In this Ashoka is almost like a Vulcan, its just a flat and even delivery.

I agree and given her previous history this makes her seem numb. So far though when she was dueling Marrok some of her fire was starting to show through, the expression she had sure read as being a bit malevolent. She knows she can beat Marrok.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I didn't realize the Old Republic Jedi Droid survived until the post RotJ era and remembered him from TCW.

Just another deserter who slept through the most important Galactic conflict of the current age.

"Maybe I should help train this new Jedi? Nah..."

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

People who are falling asleep should probably just do themselves a favour and duck out now lol.

Where do you find time to doze off in the very short runtimes of the two eps following the premiere?

As far as Disney SW goes this show has been way more focused on where it's going. It's not balancing several plot lines at once and taking characters on one-off side quests.

At moments there is some slow cooking, but it feels meaningful and is at least engaging because it's all plot related.

This is solid by Disney standards, and if it pays off what it's setting up, should track to be the best show to date.

I agree that 3 episodes in Andor still remains atop the podium for best overall series in quality. But Ahsoka is putting together one heck of a story with a lot of potential to expand the universe and take that title away.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I didn't realize the Old Republic Jedi Droid survived until the post RotJ era and remembered him from TCW.

Spoiler!

Everyone who hasn't died on screen yet, survived

Spoiler!

Maybe Even some who died on screen

Spoiler!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

People who are falling asleep should probably just do themselves a favour and duck out now lol.

Where do you find time to doze off in the very short runtimes of the two eps following the premiere?

As far as Disney SW goes this show has been way more focused on where it's going. It's not balancing several plot lines at once and taking characters on one-off side quests.

At moments there is some slow cooking, but it feels meaningful and is at least engaging because it's all plot related.

This is solid by Disney standards, and if it pays off what it's setting up, should track to be the best show to date.

I agree that 3 episodes in Andor still remains atop the podium for best overall series in quality. But Ahsoka is putting together one heck of a story with a lot of potential to expand the universe and take that title away.

I am going to see it through. But the execution so far is all over the place.

The last episode with the prolonged training sequence. Then the meeting, where the government....yet again....doesn't see the dark side sneaking up, then the "action" sequence where the entire sequence was eaten up by the apprentice learning to reshoot the rear cannons, and the rebuilding the death sta....I mean hyperdrive circle. There was nothing new there and the acting was wooden. It was boring.

So far I'd put this beneath the Obi Wan series. Not in the same conversation as Andor or the Mandalorian.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by blankall

I am going to see it through. But the execution so far is all over the place.

The last episode with the prolonged training sequence. Then the meeting, where the government....yet again....doesn't see the dark side sneaking up, then the "action" sequence where the entire sequence was eaten up by the apprentice learning to reshoot the rear cannons, and the rebuilding the death sta....I mean hyperdrive circle. There was nothing new there and the acting was wooden. It was boring.

So far I'd put this beneath the Obi Wan series. Not in the same conversation as Andor or the Mandalorian.

Fair enough, but the reasons for those scenes being included were fairly obvious. You had to have a reason for Ahsoka and Sabine getting stranded in their mission (so they alone will be taken through the gate to this galaxy), as well as set up why the new Republic are susceptible to being blindsided by the looming threat - ignorance and neglect.

I mean if you can't endure ten minutes of necessary character development and plot set up then you must have a low threshold for what will hold your attention.

The training was pretty cool. Very kurusawa-like, which is where George drew inspiration from. Thought the training holograms on the droid were cool as hell. But sure, it dragged for a couple minutes too long when they could've potentially done a quick montage.

There's a plethora of slower-burn shows out there filled with less meaningful filler scenes that people binge. I don't know why these 30 minute episodes that are entirely focused on the main plot line are difficult to sit through (while Obi-Wan wasted ample time on Reva only to make her arc a meaningless circle that could've been cut out entirely with no effect on the outcome of the series), but to each their own.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its interesting that they're starting to link the series together on Imperial Lines.

It feels clear that at least one of two of those senators are at the very worst Imperial sympathizers or working from within the Senate as Imperial spies. We saw that previously in other series where these former Imperials "swore an oath", but were actively working for the Imperial remnant and probably the First Order.

I like Hera's exchange with the Senator asking what he was doing during the war.

I doubt we get more then a few minutes of Thrawn this season.

We know that the Republic by the time of the Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett and even the sequels is this massive failure, especially on the outer ring. Probably bought down from the inside by the Empire/First Order which in itself could be an interesting storyline.

In terms of this series, again I was a huge fan in the end of Clone Wars/Rebels and Ashley's voicing of her, and I guess that's why I'm having some trouble getting engaged with Stoic Ashoka.

But it could go right back to her time with Anakin who was emotional and arrogant and selfish. A path that Ashoka was on for quite a while, so maybe she has a fear of becoming her master.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by blankall

I am going to see it through. But the execution so far is all over the place.

The last episode with the prolonged training sequence. Then the meeting, where the government....yet again....doesn't see the dark side sneaking up, then the "action" sequence where the entire sequence was eaten up by the apprentice learning to reshoot the rear cannons, and the rebuilding the death sta....I mean hyperdrive circle. There was nothing new there and the acting was wooden. It was boring.

So far I'd put this beneath the Obi Wan series. Not in the same conversation as Andor or the Mandalorian.

Even in the books of the Disney EU, this was a huge problem. Even before the guns had cooled off from the Galactic Civil War, Mon Mothma was stupidly demilitarizing the Republic Military and offering blanket immunity to former Imperial Officers. She was literally the George Bush Jr of the Star Wars Galaxy with the big banner behind her "Mission Accomplished"


She might have won the war, but she quickly lost the peace.


In the Lengends EU she was much more pragmatic and jaded as the Leader of the New Republic, and in a interesting shift was accused of trying to become the New Palpatine as she tried to basically eradicate the former Empire.

In this case it has nothing to do with the Force, and nothing to do with politics. We see that yes the Empire was shattered with the Death of Palpatine and Vader. But the Empire was left with some pretty competent officers, and a nearly complete Imperial Intelligence network, who could have formulated this infiltration plan pretty easily.

Its also almost a historical truth that when a armed rebel group over throws a government they're awful at governing. We saw this in the Mandalorian where slavery came back in a big way in the outer rim, criminals took over entire planets, and the Republic was too busy filling in TPS reports.

[Wastedyouth]

So much arm crossing. The directors need a slap upside the head.